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A clue to BRIDEWELL.
100 comments were received for this competition (from 11 competitors, 0 others)

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Comments on the competition
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No clue really stood out for me.
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Quite a few went for the obvious anagram using WILD REBEL which could be a risky strategy for some as only the best of them are going to get the points, which rules out any which aren't &lit for me.

Being pernickety (it is a competition after all) Chambers doesn't support 'can' as a definition without 'the'.
 
Comments on the clues
1. A place for good bareback hoof use? (9)
1.A long explanation always concerns me, and this is too complicated to solve, I'm afraid.
2.To KNOW answer's correct, clues need accuracy + a direct def. B=bareback is illogical; 'correction' is a noun so no anagram there.
3.Too convoluted.
2. Bird done by drug source here ?
1.If 'drug source' (drug = adj.) were grammatically sound (?) it'd be a nice succinct clue.
3. Britain isn't working, apart from large and thriving reform school
1.'Britain not working' would make more sense in the cryptic reading
2."isn't working" = 'idles', not 'idle', so clue is unsound.
4. Can bell-bottoms be wider, perhaps?
1.Nice try but don't agree that 'bell-bottoms' = 'bottoms of bell'. (Even then, 'bottoms' would be inaccurate).
5. Can brig lie easily at anchor with sails etc shot away?
1.Why not '…without sails etc'? For wordplay RIDE WELL = 'lie at anchor easily' but not 'lie easily at anchor'. Otherwise nice.
6. Can of Special Brew I'd give the low-down after opening
1.If special=unusual and unusual=jumbled, it doesn't follow that special=jumbled. Cf. tiger=cat, cat=lion, etc.
7. Can she marry easily?
1.it must read she 'marries' easily for proper grammar
2.How does 'she marry' = 'bride' in normal English?
3.Surface reading rather meaningless – who is she?. Grammatically precise wordplay needed to be fair to solvers, not 'she marry' = 'bride'
4.'she marries' or 'is marrying' surely?
8. Cooler brewed beer; mild with no head, begins well-balanced and ends flavourful.
1.Imprecise = unsound = unfair: 'begins well-balanced' isn't 'beginning of well-balanced' and 'ends flavourful' isn't 'end of flavourful'.
2.It should be 'beginning of' (etc)
9. Cooler strand of hybrid ewe-llama
1.Nice wordplay but the definition doesn't fit well
2.The def. is cool but wordplay depends on the contrived 'ewe-llama': even allowing that, surface read isn't cool.
10. Do bird and serve term without complaint here?
1.Imprecise logic = unsound = unfair to solvers: E = 'term of serve' = 'serve's term' but 'serve term'? No.
2.It needs to be 'serve's term'
11. Drastically ill-bred, we might end up here
1.Good '& lit.' clue though nothing else special to elevate it.
2.Too many extraneous words for this to be an &lit
12. Finally found female in excellent nick.
1.Nicely succinct. Risks feminist wrath but maybe refers to e.g. athletes? For accuracy EWE=female needs qualifying.
13. Gaol is advisable after heartless brute runs around free.
1.Sound clue, though nothing special to elevate it above the crowd.
14. Gaol's bell rings with dire beat
1."(goal)'s X rings Y" doesn't seem right: oughtn't it be "(goal)'s X ringing Y", or "(goal) X rings Y"?
15. Groom badly? Quite the opposite in this place of improvement!
1.I don't think a bride is the 'opposite' of a groom
2.Sound clue, nice idea but surface story not special. PS !mark suggests "This is SO funny!" = avoid, unless a good (cluing) reason.
3.Surely groom is not the opposite of bride? Spinster, possibly. Shame as otherwise a nice idea
16. Ill-bred: we reformed here?
1.Accurate anagram, but not constructed nicely enough to impress as a pithy clue.
17. In London, can a departing Liberal broadcast “Getting Married” after comeback?
1.Seems to work (despite the verbose explanation!) But the surface reading comes across as a rambly story forced by the wordplay.
18. Institution Nick can lock-up inside (9)
1.Inside only refers to prison as an adverb not noun. Clue would have been a good one if it stopped at four definitions!
2.Ok, but it just defines 'prison', not 'bridewell' specifically
3.…I don't think it does work: 'lock-up' a verb? PS Random forenames are generally poorly regarded in clues (= easy options etc).
4.Amusing but how is the solver to work out which prison?
5.Problem is that they all define the same headword
19. Institution to emerge from free (and then stay outside)? Clearly!
1.Is 'stay = be'? (not in C.). 'then' looks redundant. One could omit 'institution' and reconstruct the whole as a (&lit.) def.
20. Intended sound makes clink!
1.'Intended' a bit loose: a bride is still a bride after the intention is realised!
2.Better may have been: Intended to sound 'clink'? (to = beside). Avoid !mark except for cluing reasons as can look a naff "It's SO funny!"
21. Jug wielder sloshed, engulfed in extremes of bacchanal
1.Is 'jug wielder' grammatically accurate for 'jug's wielder' / 'wielder of jug'? Not convinced, discuss. Otherwise nicely coherent clue.
2.This one made us laugh
22. Leading blackguard to keep on harassing source in prison (9)
1.Unsound clue: 'leading blackguard' does not logically give B in the way that 'leader of blackguard' does.
2.Not convinced that 'leading' means 'the leading letter of'
23. Liquor and drug found on student without ID, close to Clerkenwell Prison (9)
1.Sound clue + unique idea in the comp. = worth a mark. Having to resort to a proper name to get the L is a weakness.
24. Maybe bird man found here will breed quails?
1.Nice idea but don't think quails works as an anagrind
2.I like the misleading surface, though I'm not sure about 'bird man' for 'prisoner' (unless it's Alcatraz)
3.Nice anagram and nice 'quails' – but 'bird man' is grammatically dodgy (imprecise) for 'a man doing bird'.
4."birdman" (without "maybe") would have worked well, i.e. "The Birdman of Alcatraz" but "bird man" indicating "man doing bird" doesn't work f
25. Nick is not badly stung in dilapidated Tunbridge Wells (9)
1.Doesn't read correctly to me; some reordering would do it. Resorting to a proper name in a clue (who's Nick?) may be seen as a weakness.
2.Well-spotted compound anagram.
26. Nick's terse honeymoon message to concerned in-laws?
1.Nice wordplay
2.Resorting to proper n. in clues may be seen as a weakness. Totally unfair to expect solvers to deduce precisely 'bride well' from info given
27. Old Nick's dungeon?
1.Not a double def., it's the same meaning twice
2.'Old' is for the surface reading but is spurious in the first def. of 'prison'. So it's spurious in the (real) clue.
28. Prison hospital
1.This just a straight definition, surely?
2.Why 'hospital'? If it's because there's a B. hospital, it's unfair to expect solvers to know both B. Prison and B. Hospital.
29. Prison reforms wild rebel
1.'reforms' does not signal anagram correctly
2.A bit easy. I prefer the & lit. versions of this
3.'reforms' should be 'reformed' (adj.) to be precise. Even so, wouldn't rise above the crowd in a comp.
30. Prison to reform wild rebel
1.A bit easy. I prefer the & lit. versions of this
2.'reformed' (adj.) better, but doesn't rise above the crowd (anag. obvious to many entrants)
31. Queen has to wait outside, clearly where one might be inside
1.Constructed cleverly to produce a spurious story of pithy wit: the contrast in the 'ones' made me smile out loud. Best of comp.
32. Raunchy bird linked with Surrey town house that's the place for a screw
1.Rude but ha ha! The best screw in the comp.
2.Raunchy clue too. Technically works well, an unique idea (cv. other entrants). Def'n borders on verbose (7w incl. house, place).
33. Reckless Wilde takes Earl to bedroom – eventual end Reading?
1.Nice idea, but the wordplay is a bit too liberal for me. And Reading as an example of bridewell doesn't quite ring true
2.Unsound, e.g. 'end of eventual' = L but how is 'eventual end' = L?
34. Saint Bridget's hole gets cooler!(9)
1.Sound, assuming StB=bride(?) but surface is bland/meaningless. Avoid !mark if no cluing reason: can look like a naff "This is SO funny!"
35. Screw and wife held by ring in prison (9)
1.Nice use of words adding up to a coherent surface story.
36. Secure building with trip wire initially and perimeter alarm
1.Nice except, unfortunately, 'perimeter' isn't an adjective according to my dictionaries.
37. She wears white happily in London palace
1.One won't find 'bride' defined as 'she wears white' in any dictionary, and for good reason: who is 'she'?
38. Stir seed of dill with eg lamb and make excellent sandwich!
1.Sound enough; consistent (if unlikely) surface reading, but nothing special marks it up.
39. Term for the bird, possibly? Very possibly!
1.Definite (rather than indefinite) article looks spurious in the def. – is 'the bird' a bona-fide usage? If so it's a nice clue.
2.Have given my top mark of 3 for this. Good clue, slightly spoilt by inclusion of "the" to obtain the extra "E." Prison is just "bird."
3.How is this an & lit?
40. The joint wrenched will be red (9)
1.Original idea, good straightforward clue
2.Don't see 'joint = prison' in our usual crosswrord ref. books so is is unfair (imprecise) for solvers.
41. This could provide correction for wild rebel
1.Sound, but doesn't rise above the crowd (anagram would have been obvious to many entrants)
2.Technically not an &lit
42. Volatile bird, Jacob's partner … beginning to lust after Liberal leader Nick!
1.Unsound: L = leader of Liberals / Liberal's leader, but not logically 'liberal leader'
43. Weed is cooked in excellent prison
1.Sound technically; surface reading seems a strange story; nothing extra to make it stand out from the crowd
44. Weed out? Fishguard can
1.Makes no sense. How and what can Fishguard weed out?
2.I don't get the surface reading nor the wordplay which (technically) ought to be e.g. 'weed out guarded by fish can'
45. weird bell – weird pokey
1.Surface makes no sense to me.
2.Technically sound clue but the surface read is also weird – unless there's a significance I'm missing (prison bell?)
46. What motorbike cops do after heading for breakout in prison
1.Solvers muat work out 'ride well' from 'what motorbike cops do'? They do a myriad things … and do they ride well?
47. Where wild rebel receives correction?
1.This anagram was too easily spotted by many to be competitive.
2.Don't see this as an &lit
48. Wherein prisoners remain good to get free
1.Very nice try but looks inaccurate: 'wherein prisoners..' needs '..remain' to constitute a meaningful def.
49. Wife can be a bore sometimes; it's prison!
1.'it can be a bore' or 'a bore' could define a well but 'can be a bore' makes no sense as a def.
50. Wild rebel is tortured in prison
1.A bit easy. I prefer the & lit. versions of this
2.This anagram was spotted by too many to be competitive.
51. Wild rebel may get reformed here
1.This anagram was spotted by too many to be competitive.
52. Wild rebel needing correction may once have spent time here?
1.This anagram was spotted by too many to be competitive.
53. Wild rebel ordered into corrective institution.
1.A bit easy. I prefer the & lit. versions of this
2.This anagram was spotted by too many to be competitive.
54. Wild rebel reformed here?
1.This anagram was spotted by too many to be competitive.
55. Wild rebel shot in prison (9)
1.A bit easy. I prefer the & lit. versions of this
2.This anagram was spotted by too many to be competitive.
56. Wild rebel sort of women were confined here (9)
1.Shouldn't that be 'sort of wild rebel'? Also this anagram was too easily spotted by many to be competitive.
57. With red bill, European migratory bird (once found by the Thames)
1.Good idea, nice surface