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A clue to YO-YO.
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1.
A lot of clues use the obvious "toy", "boy" or both, so they need something extra to stand out. I think 12 is the best of those, but the straightforward definition of "toy" in 5 is my top choice.
2.
I found it difficult to separate the 14 or so (t)oy reverse-and-repeat clues and was surprised by the number of cellists!
3.
This is a hard word to clue cryptically, given its letters and the limited alternative possibilities. Particularly difficult to be original and present a plausible surface story, though many did try with toy boys and the cellist featuring often in different variations but mostly with clunky or unconvincing surface stories. Nevertheless, there was still the odd gem.
4.
An inordinate number of explanatory essays, which always suggest special pleading for over-complex clues that may not make much sense — and several this time really did lack convincing surfaces, alas!
 
Comments on the clues
1. Adolescent gigolo, wanting briefest case, went back for quizzing
1.Quiz is an old name for a yo-yo, but quizzing isn't
2.I'm afraid the surface story doesn't make sense
3.The gigolo/case/quiz gloss is quite random
2. After cutting consumption, toyboy's back to half his former size!
1.I can't accept that "half his former size" indicates "toy"
2.Great surface but don’t buy the indirect definition
3.I don’t get it. An indirect definition?
4.'half (toyboy's) former size' arguably works as wordplay for TOY, but would any solver really expect wordplay-for-def instead of a def?
3. American cellist leaves mother for such plaything?
1.Surface doesn't sound very natural
2.Maybe it's just me, but I've never heard of Yo-yo Ma
4. Bounce back from Year Zero, not once but twice
1.To yo-yo means to go up and down or fluctuate, not just to bounce back
5. Cellist's first toy?
1.Sound and concise. I don't think it needs the question mark but it's still my top choice
2.Is first sufficient to indicate first name?
6. …compared to last year (COVID's second wave)
1.Financial reference is rather obscure, and wave as a synonym for yo-yo (verb) is not convincing
2.I don't think 'wave' is a good enough definition for yo-yo
3.… ellipsis separated multiple-clue-surfaces are nice to see in puzzles, but aren't much fun on their own. I like the unusual yoy abbr.
7. Could this lead to walking the dog for a stupid person on the other side of the pond?
1.Good, but rather a long clue for such a short word
2.This made me want to find a yo-yo to see if I can still walk the dog…
3.I think both definitions are fair, but combined result in a surface that doesn't make much sense to me
8. Disc player I heard repeatedly in Spain
1.Why ‘heard’?
2.It's not fair to use Spanish
3.I like the use of (basic) Spanish but the 'heard' in the wordplay is a bit superfluous
9. Double helping of starters for you? That sort of diet will rebound
1.Great surface
2.Nice wordplay
3.Nicely misleading and sufficiently original.
10. End of lanky old Willey’s last over produces swing and bounce
1.Good to see a different take on this although surface slightly strained
2.Rather loose definition
11. Fool returned toys without wrappers twice (2-2)
1.Wordplay is fine but surface story doesn't make much sense
12. Frisky toy boy, no thoroughbred, but one providing satisfying ups and downs
1.Credit for coming up with an original definition, and risqué clues seem to do well here
2.Hmmm I don't think you can get away with tb = thoroughbred
13. Go back and forth, beginning in Yokohama and back to Tokyo
1.Wordplay needs "starts" in Yokohama and "ends" in Tokyo but then it's hard to find a workable definition
2.Strictly speaking 'beginning' and 'back' should refer only to one letter not two
14. Going up and down, the solver misses the last vowel twice
1.Clues yo-yoing instead of yo-yo
2.I like the YO(U) YO(U) wordplay, but the surface isn’t very convincing
15. Grandchildren back and forth? (4-4)
1.Perhaps grandchildren refers to boys, but something has gone wrong here, and not just with the enumeration
2.Is this a ref. to oy = grandchild? Explanation needed
3.This clue requires an explanation!
4.Baffling. Would love an explanation.
16. Hey – you dropped something, Ma!
1.Very slick but it depends on knowing who Yo-yo Ma is!
17. Hugs and kisses when males become females, realizing it has its ups and downs
1.Males usually have XY chromosomes and females XX, so shouldn't it be "when females become males"?
2.If this refers to chromosomes then X to Y (or rather XX to XY) is female to male
3.I really don't get this
18. Hyponym of 'intermittently popular toy'
1.I’ll buy this as semi &lit
2.My favourite wordplay idea, but thanks to the quotes it doesn’t quite mean what it says
3.Now I know what a hyponym is – thanks!
19. I go into a spin when toys are returned decapitated
1.Weak definition
20. I may be associated with string-playing (solver shortly should get doubling up!)
1.Construction is a bit too clumsy
2.‘Doubling up’ is a stretch for defining yo-yo
21. I'm highly strung. Life is so full of ups and downs.
1.First definition is weak and second seems incomplete (Life is so full of ups and downs for me?)
22. It's thrown when walking the dog
1.Good cryptic definition, but perhaps needs wordplay to help out
2.I like this a lot but it would be very difficult!
3.A nice CD
23. Kind of diet my body so regularly rejects
1.Very smooth surface, so true!
2.Not sure what ‘rejects’ indicates here
3.Neat clue with a good surface reading
24. Ma raised two sons without boundaries (2-2)
1.Well constructed and great surface. Is Ma sufficient as a definition?
2.Needs to be ‘Ma perhaps’
3.Maybe it's just me, but I've never heard of Yo-yo Ma
25. Ma starts yelling out your orders
1.I'm not convinced that starts can apply to ALL the words. "Ma starts to yell out your orders", perhaps?
2.Needs to be ‘Ma perhaps’
3.Nice smooth surface but hinges on general knowledge
4.I think "…starts to…" would be clearer
26. Many who try to take finals go through ups and downs
1.Well disguised!
2.Sound and concise
3.Best of the last letters clues
4.Nice definition and great context for 'take finals' instruction
27. Ma’s entertainment for kids
1.Needs to be ‘perhaps Ma’s’
2.Neat
28. Oaf moving up and down ( 4 )
1.Clues yo-yoing instead of yo-yo
29. One bouncing back is round after years without love
1.Slightly unnatural surface reading
30. Pair of old Y-fronts concealing what goes up and down.
1.I'm not convinced by the Y-fronts wordplay
2.I’m all for a risqué clue but not convinced by the wordplay
3.Points for filth !
4.‘Y-fronts’ doesn’t mean ‘Y fronts’
5.oy oy? But amusing.
31. Perhaps Ma is wound up and strung out
1.This is equivalent to "Yo-yo is wound up and strung out", which doesn't quite work
2.The only clue that recognises there Yo Yos who aren’t Ma
32. Plaything doubling back, bouncing time and time again!
1.This is the one (t)oy clue that I like
2.'bouncing time and time again' a lot of fun. My favourite of the tOY<<x2 clues.
3.Cleverly constructed
33. Plaything of intense emotion – down first, then up – all over again
1.Where did the "j" go?
2.Maybe 'first down' would be a better deletion indicator than 'down first'?
34. Retro toy oyster reveals another toy (2-2)
1.I was sceptical, but Dr Google reveals that toy oysters really do exist
35. Spinner Lyon , with covers removed, takes Yorkshire openers
1.Well constructed with interesting surface
2.Good wordplay, but definition "spinner" is a bit vague
3.One for cricket fans, but lost on me, I’m afraid
4.Nicely consistent cricket references
5.A clever crickety clue. Itching to close up that space after Lyon!
6.One of my favorite clues
36. String- player makes dashing appearance in Tokyo-Yokohama
1.I don't understand "makes dashing appearance in" when simply "appearing in" would work
2.Bit of a mismatch between 'string-player' and what sounds like a bike race
3.I like the 2-defs-in-one 'string player' but I don't think 'dashing' pun adds much to surface or wordplay
37. Stringed instrument this top cellist may have toyed with when young?
1.Good idea, but I prefer the same idea in 5
2.'Stringed instrument' makes this my favourite of the cellist clues
38. Synonym of “evenly fluctuate” (2-2)
1.Clever but not convinced by extended def so I marginally prefer the “hyponym” clue
2.Very clever idea, although I'm not sure if the quotes are necessary, so I'd be interested to see other comments
3.Excellent clue
4.Great idea, but thanks to the quotes it doesn’t quite mean what it says
5.Not convinced by the 'extended' definition, but 'fluctuate' is fair enough
39. Synonym of regularly coming and going
1.The whole clue, read as a definition, clues yo-yoing instead of yo-yo
2.I'm not fully convinced by the definition – even used as a modifier it feels a bit of a stretch to me
3.The synonym of regularly coming and going would be yo-yoing not yo-yo
4.Best of the alternate letters ideas
40. Throughout the Andes I repeatedly go up and down
1.Worth a merit but depending on knowledge of Spanish is a bit much
2.This works well in retrospect but I think the Andes reference is too cryptic otherwise
3.Original and disguises and misleads to very good effect.
41. Timeless amusement, which repeatedly turns up!
1.Not convinced by the idea that a yo-yo keep turning up, in the sense of occurring randomly or just happening
42. Timeless plaything repeatedly spun around? (2-2)
1.Good but maybe lacking the disguise that similar clues have
43. Timeless toy repeatedly making a comeback?
1.One of the better clues of its type – would be better with a synonym of toy I think
2.This works so well on many levels!
3.The 'comeback' goes well with the 'timeless', which feels slightly arbitrary in other clues
44. Timeless toy, returning repeatedly
1.Efficient version of common construction – would prefer it if synonym of toy was used
2.A very similar idea to what I was working on, got to be worth some points
48. Tokyo yoga centre – it is flexible (2-2)
1.Very weak definition, and why should centre of "Tokyo yoga" be yoy rather than just o?
2.It’s not quite at the centre unfortunately
3.I don't get your definition
4.Nice concept. Quite a lot of things are flexible! Also, it would work with a hidden indicator but 'centre' implies yoy or o
49. Toy beginning to go up and down briefly over there
1.The 'briefly over there' is nice wordplay, but I'm not keen on it being part of the definition
50. Toy boy loses his head and falls head over heels again(4)
1.Clever surface
2.The fitting romantic storyline makes this my favourite of the 'toy boys'
51. Toy boy spins endlessly?
1.I don't think "endlessly" can delete BOTH final letters
2.Clever double use of toy
52. Toy boys essentially spun repeatedly
1.There seems to be a convention that "essentially" can indicate the centre of a word, but I think it's misplaced
2.It's a pity you used 'essentially' which is a giveaway indicator
3.'essentially' & 'repeatedly' stick out, and used together don't sound very natural to me
55. Toy that goes up repeatedly after thread at the top is pulled (2-2)
1.Refreshing variation on a theme – too easy though?
2.'after thread at the top is pulled' makes a nice change from all the 'timeless' clues
3.One of my favorite clues
59. Toy you used twice – no fun essentially
1.Straightforward but satisfying
60. Turkey embryo yolk envelops
1.Good idea but the yolk (yellow bit) is in the middle, it doesn't "envelop" anything
2.Why does this make me feel so queasy?
3.Quite a bizarre surface reading!
61. Two lads lost their heads over this toy.
1.Simple and straightforward but deserving of points.
62. What may be projected to fall in revolution?
1.Too difficult with no wordplay to help out
2.The best of the CDs.
63. Why do, say, cockapoo tails swing to and fro?
1.Clever wordplay with well-disguised solution, but not entirely convinced by the definition – it's more "go up and down"
2.Nice surface reading which gave me a broad grin
64. "Why oh why", we hear, primarily of American fool
1.Not really a homophone since yo-yo is not pronounced as its individual letters (and the quote needs a question mark, sorry)
65. You interminable self-absorbed backward fool! (4)
1.Interminable does not mean without an end in the sense of being cut short – the opposite, in fact
2.I think this wordplay gives OOYY not YO-YO
3.Very ingenious wordplay gets some points from me