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A clue to ODYSSEY.
155 comments were received for this competition (from 19 competitors, 1 other)
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Comments on the competition
1.
The key to this comp in my view is a good definition, and clue-writers needed to steer between the Scylla of a banal definition like ‘journey’ (or worse still ‘trip’) and the Charybdis of an all-out retelling of the story, making the wordplay hardly worth the bother for the solver. Only a few clues manage this. I liked the topical ‘end of lockdown’ clues best.
2.
Several clues use the rather weak definition "poem" to facilitate wordplay using "ode". Nevertheless there are some impressive entries, with compound anagrams and alternate letters well to the fore as might be expected. On the whole a much better lot of clues than last month.
3.
A definitional essay at 7 I see — far too long and who ever would bother to parse it? For me 11 was the outstanding clue, but then I never was modest!
4.
I will always favour short neat clues over longer, more 'constructed' ones
5.
Without doubt a difficult word to clue with brevity and panache. It seems to have attracted a veritable plethora of long composite anagram clues. These to me do not represent a 'standard' crossword clue as seen in the main newspaper crosswords where the emphasis is on brevity with a plausible surface reading. So these clues did not get my votes, nor did those relying on loose synonyms for 'yes'. There was one stand-out clue 38 for me which encapsulates the art of excellent clue-writing.
 
Comments on the clues
1. "A long and arduous journey every other Monday?", asks Denys
1.Poor Denys, with parents who couldn't spell
2. A long and arduous quest to make dyes with soy
1.Can you make dyes with soy?
2.Nice to see a straight anagram but a shorter definition may have resulted in better surface?
3. A long journey is a necessary part of everybody's Seychellois holiday.
1.Nice hidden, although Seychelles residents might take a holiday locally so wouldn't have to make a long journey.
2.Nice surface, but ‘holiday’ is superfluous to the wordplay
3.Unfortunately the word "holiday" is not used in the clue.
4.What's wrong with 'Seychelles holiday'?
5.Holiday pads
4. Agreed to return after oddly disregarding goodbyes for this long journey (7)
1.Surface is a bit forced.
5. Alright to say, "Without a party, revolting is an adventure" (7)
1.I prefer "All right". Odd thing to say anyway.
2.Doesn't make a lot of sense!
3.Alright is almost always not altogether all right
6. An epic tale of Ulysses, who left for date, stripped, and penetrated Troy’s rear
1.Makes no sense to me
2.I fear this crosses the line between risqué and distasteful.
3.No points but it got a chuckle
4.Troy’s rear would be Y , not OY , I would think
5.Ulysses didn't do 'dates'
6.Clue far to9 long
7. At start of this, king leaves Troy, eats last of sacred cattle, then captures Calypso's heart and finally kills suitors
1.Great summary, but it kind of removes the need to solve the wordplay
2.Even with the explanation, this is practically impossible to untangle.
3.Still too long….
4.Clue far, far too long
5.A valiant attempt.
8. Averting this trip might have reshaped voyagers’ destiny.
1.Best of the compound anagrams, but I wish there was a better anagrind than "might have reshaped".
2.Good spot and well signalled so not impossibly difficult to solve
3.Cleverly done but I still don't like composite anagrams
4.Nice compound anagram but I don't feel the 'might have reshaped' works as connector 'might be reshaped' could work but throws the surface.
9. By end of 'tomo' Dyson mostly sure about long-distance travels? (7)
1.I don't get this. Is "tomo" a made-up abbreviation for tomorrow?
2.Odyssey is singular so why not just 'travel'? And what is tomo?
3."tomo" and Dyson are a bit clumsy
10. Classic island-hop? Certainly Seychelles are good enough to return
1.Chambers justifies SY for Seychelles, although elsewhere it's given as Syria. Original definition deserves credit.
11. Do say yes to travel, but not a long journey
1.Best clue. Excellent wordplay and topicality.
2.Neatly constructed anagram
3.The better of the ‘do say yes’ clues for topicality
4.very smooth
5.Nice try at being different while remaining fair to the solver.
12. Do say yes, wanting a relaxed journey
1.The surface doesn't quite work, and unfortunately 11 uses the same idea more convincingly.
2.Not quite as good as 11. ‘Journey’ alone is a weaker def.
13. Donkey's years at sea spent mostly narked, upset
1.A compound anagram with a superfluous letter doesn't work for me, sorry.
2.Really needs to be ‘spending’ for the wordplay
14. Epic topless figure's fine all around (7)
1."Epic" is an odd word to use about, presumably, a semi-naked torso.
15. Epic trip… take too much..? too right… reflect… cut out half the E
1.Shouldn't it be "cut out half the E's"?
2.Half the E ?
16. Epic voyage of discovery, say, odd characters might make
1.‘X odd characters’ not the same as ‘odd characters of X’
2.It's a pity 'odd characters' is a bit in-your-face as an indicator
17. Even Homer half nods sleepily gutted by, at last, surprisingly long journey
1."Even Homer" is not OE.
2.Sleepily gutted?
3.Four pieces each requiring an indicator! To me that's 2 or 3 too many
18. Everybody's Seychelles tour includes a long and eventful journey
1.Nice hidden, pity "tour" adds nothing useful to the wordplay.
2.Unfortunately ‘tour’ is superfluous to the wordplay
3.Tour is redundant .
4.The word "tour" has no function
19. Excessive trip indeed, returning after years
1.Almost brilliant, but alas only "yrs" can indicate years, not "Ys". How about "… years exhausted"?
2.‘Excessive trip’ very good, but Ys for years doesn’t work
3.Presumably "excessive trip" is meant to indicate overdose, hence OD, but it's rather a stretch.
4.Good concise &lit clue
5.Clever to link trip=drugs=OD, but I thought it was typically depressants/opiates, rather than 'trippy' drugs, which lead to ODs?
20. Exciting Sydney holidays, not handily involved long journey
1.Surface is a convoluted way of saying that Sydney is a long way away. (It depends where you start from, of course.)
2.Surface needs to sound more natural
21. Extremely old story describes executions once journey ends
1.Needs ‘describing’ or ‘that describes’ for an accurate definition
2.Hard to really fault this, although "extremely" is hackneyed and it requires familiarity with Homer's Odyssey to appreciate.
3.Simple and accurate
4.ok but the overall definition is a bit weak
5.Excellent. Nice to have an all-in-one which doesn't give the game away too easily
22. "Ey! Dos-sy-do! Swing! Men cast off! Circulate! One man returns! Lines!"
1.I think this would leave most solvers nonplussed
2.I'm all for originality, but "ey" isn't a word and the rest of the clue is way outside acceptable cryptic crossword conventions.
23. Famous return of Homer as headless corpse. Quite a bit of Simpson’s back!
1.Ingenious but rather forced allusion to the Simpsons cartoon series.
24. Farmer abandons sod, yes, yearning for thrilling journey…
1.What’s the farmer doing in the wordplay? How does ‘yearning’ = y?
2.I don't see any role for "farmer" in the wordplay.
25. From the east, truly, barren Sicily and party narrate their journey
1.This left me wondering who "Sicily" is.
26. From time to time through good eyes I see my long journey.
1.Rather meaningless surface.
27. 'Goodbye Sister!' read regularly before starting your adventure.
1.‘Start of your’ would be better
2."Goodbye Sister!" is too obscure, despite some internet references to funeral poems.
3.maybe should be ".. start of your .."
4.'Starting your' = Y does not work for me."…beginning of your…" would fix this.
28. Heading off, contingent's certainly travelling west, resulting in long, eventful journey
1.Rather laboured.
29. I agree to go to extremely sexy party in return for a trip (7)
1."extremely silly" would have made the surface more plausible, imo.
30. Itinerant does initially spend a couple of years wandering
1.Itinerant is not needed
2.Different but 'does' is a bit awkward in the surface reading.
32. Lengthy rags to riches story, unpredictable and ultimately moving?
1.Very well crafted
2.A nice clue, but was it really a rags-to-riches story?
3.This could describe many stories, and at same time it's a bit of a stretch to describe the homeward journey of a king as "rags to riches"
33. Long March days… somehow nothing can replace April's first fine comeback
1.‘Long March’ definitely needs a ?
34. Long rambling poem
1.I'm not sure that either of the two meanings of "rambling" really applies to Homer's Odyssey.
2.Very nice. Could also be a double definition.
3.??? Where’s the clue?
4.Is seafaring rambling?
35. Long trek oddly does stay extremely unknown (7)
1.Implausibly implies that Homer's Odyssey is "extremely" unknown, otherwise which long trek is being referred to?
36. Long wandering goodbyes regularly brought about expression of joy (7)
1.Implausible surface: what is a "wandering" goodbye, and why would the outcome be joyful?
37. Oddly uses very regularly quoted passage (7)
1.Weak definition, and I'm not sure how "very" regularly differs from just "regularly".
2.Nice misdirection by 'oddly'
38. Poem about, at heart, Ulysses getting back from Troy
1.Nicely done, but the def. is a bit obvious
2.Conventionally, "at heart" indicates only the central letter or pair of letters of a word.
3.One of many clues with the same construction.
4.Good spot for YSS It's a pity 'at heart' is an overused indicator
5.ODYSSEY and ULYSSES both closely related to ODYSSEUS, so shared letters no surprise
6.Well crafted, but much too obvious as an &lit.
7.The best clue by far – excellent.
39. Poem about climax of journey on ship, ending in victory (7)
1.One of many clues with the same construction.
2.Best of the poem clues, I think.
40. Poem about end of Troy and ship completing journey.
1.Similar idea to 39, but "coming to end of journey" instead of "completing journey" would be a better way to indicate the last letter.
2.One of many clues with the same construction.
42. Poem about years on a boat at end of Troy
1.Simple and clever. (Minor quibble – ship would be better than boat).
2.About the best of the poem clues, though I’d have preferred ship to boat
3.Isn’t Y Year a d not Years ?
43. Poem concluding after shots discharged between axes
1.The separation of "ode" into two parts like this doesn't work for me.
44. Poem involving unknown ship at end of journey
1.Shades it for me amongst the ‘poem’ clues
2.One of many clues with the same construction.
45. Poem on yen to get back from Troy, the core of Classics
1.Not keen on ‘get’ as a container indicator
2.Ingenious, but it really needs a better containment indicator than "to get".
46. Risqué lady mayoress may cause alarm with this story? (7)
1.Nice anagram, but I don't much like risqué as an anagrind (it means blue, suggestive, off-colour etc.)
2.Definition is a bit weak
3.Original anagram, plus a fluent surface. Five points.
4.Is anagramming risqué?
47. Saga trip, perhaps only for the adventurous
1.Homer's Odyssey is a saga, an odyssey is a trip, but neither is a "saga trip".
48. Sally boldly asks Beryl, ignoring the odds (7)
1.Ingenious construction but a sally is a quick attack, not a long journey.
2."Sally" by itself seems inadequate as the definition
3.Most original definition. Surface just a little weak to score top 5 for me.
4.I like "Sally".
49. Second dose ends in very many restless for extended travel
1.Very good topical clue
2.Clever anagram, and the implied Covid vaccination story is plausible.
3.Nicely topical but the indication of the anagram fodder is a little too indirect I think
4.Very good clue – topical, good word play and fair definition.
50. She eyes Syd over the counter, partial to a long trip home.
1.I have discounted any clues that refer to random people called Syd or Denys.
51. Somebody's Seychelles trip?
1.No hidden indicator
2.Commendably brief but I don't like somebody's / some body's. ("Part of somebody's Seychelles trip?", for example, would work.)
3.Great device, but "trip" by itself seems inadequate as definition
4.The best of the Seychelles holidays
5.Best of the Seychelle hidden answers
52. Song about my last ship on year-long voyage (7)
1.A pity about the hyphen
53. Such a trip with Karen could take donkey’s years!
1.Random person called Karen makes this rather unconvincing.
2.I don't normally like composite anagrams but this is excellent
54. This European history's original composition might be seen in Sydney Opera House (7)
1."History's original" is not H, and the Sydney Opera House has no obvious relevance to Homer's Odyssey.
2.Long composite anagrams are a pain
55. Told yesterday’s wandering what could be latter-day version
1.I don't think it's fair for compound anagrams to include abbreviations such as D = day.
56. Trip over the fronts of your shoes, twice, and don't exchange? Ridiculous
1.An unlikely scenario however you interpret "exchange". (Take them back to the shop? Put on a different pair?)
2.Nice try at being different but 'trip' on its own is just too broad a definition.
57. Voyage over days without a sure return
1.Wordplay seems to indicate SEY SYD O
2.Rather weak surface.
59. Years and years of wandering curiously near and (primarily) far away?
1.Convoluted wordplay and a very forced surface.
60. Yes, do say "Not a problem," but really, it is a very long story (7)
1.Not keen on "problem" as an anagrind , and "but really, it is" has no role in the wordplay.
61. Yes, Dyson’s detailed movingly an epic spiritual voyage
1.Not a spiritual voyage in any sense, and I don't like "movingly" rather than "moving" as an anagrind.
2.The explanation hasn't convinced me that 'spiritual' is adding anything to surface or definition
62. Yes! Return after headless body's journey
1.Needs "returns" for example to indicate reversal, but unfortunately makes little sense anyway.
63. Yes, say heartlessly party has to go west for a long journey
1.Surface reading is important – this is garbled.
64. Yes! Syd Onassis offers return 10 year cruise full of adventures!
1.The shipping magnate was known as Aristotle, Ari or Aristo, but not Syd as far as I know.
65. Yes, westbound to South Yorkshire, returning following overdose. It was quite a trip!
1.Overdose=OD undoubtedly useful, but if not careful you end up with surface that's a bit dark for my taste
66. "Yes, yes,…" – one returning after weird-sounding trip
1.A more natural parsing of this would be ODYYSEY, but the surface isn't convincing.
67. You could make OK tv with this epic from Dostoyevsky (7)
1.Great anagram spot, though an unorthodox spelling of Dostoevsky
2.If only Dostoyevsky had written Homer's Odyssey this would be excellent.