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A clue to PARLEYVOO.
66 comments were received for this competition (from 10 competitors, 1 other)
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Comments on the competition
1.
The competition word doesn't really offer a great variety of approaches for either wordplay or definition. Hence there are so many similar entries this month, and it takes more than slightly better wording for a clue to stand out. I liked 27 and 33 for their original approaches, and 37 and 44 for neat use of French names. Just ahead though is 10, which manages a very natural and concise surface as well as misleading wordplay.
2.
The awfulness of the word for cluing matched by the overall awfulness of the clues
3.
In many of the surface stories, the definition ('French' etc) had no special significance: Byelo-Russian, Scottish or Argentinian would have done just as well; I didn't find such clues clever or inspiring. Clearly a difficult word to clue: no pearlers this month.
 
Comments on the clues
1. A Frenchman is quitting Paris—unknown in love, destroyed by love
1.Nice construction but the surface's meaning eludes me.
2. A Frenchman, pay for love? Must be abroad missing France!
1.The first phrase makes little grammatical sense to me.
2.Nicely constructed and well disguised anagram.
3.Much the best surface of the "pay for love" anagrams: neat, original and witty.
3. A vet briefly struggles with poorly Alsatian?
1.Nice idea but needed an indication of Alsatian as an example (of Frenchman) to fully work?
2.Definition very nicely disguised by the surface meaning; the latter doesn't quite convince (e.g. 'briefly') for top marks.
4. Before tango's conclusion, relatively older man and mistreated lover incorporate ultimate in perversity to have intercourse in Paris
1.12 words should be a (rarely used) max length for clues. This had 18. I gave up
2.too long (the clue)to be clever
3.Good summary of the film but rather long for a clue.
4.way too verbose and a bit stilted it would seem
5. Can this question make one vocal, pray?
1.why 'this question' … even just 'this' might have been better
2.The comp. anag. works nicely; the def (the whole surface) is weak (non-specific)
3.A parleyvoo isn't a question even though it's derived from one.
4.don't quite see how this is an &lit
6. Eric Cantona, say, rough player with very good heart.
1.unfortunately it should be "good's heart"
2.Loved this until the ending: 'good heart' is not 'oo' (= 'good's heart'), so erroneous: nil points Monsieur, sadly.
7. French curiously pay for love but not with francs
1.Technically fine but surface doesn't excite
2.The construction is fine, the surface nothing special.
8. French No.6 player having lost the lead is down one set to love
1.'6' kind of makes it an indirect anagram (could be 'six' also); the instructions also don't seem to work well
2.Nice try but you need to have 'No.' losing its lead; this gives '…player having lost the lead'
3."Set" an a.i.?!
9. French Open leader trails erratic player Five-Love
1.'Open leader' for 'O' not quite grammatical
2.Nice surface but whereas Open's leader is O, Open leader is not.
10. French overplay free love
1.If brevity is the soul of wit, this is it!
2.Sound clue, though nothing special to raise it above average.
11. French players almost drunk see two balls
1.Sound clue, and an 'almost' convincing surface story (I see double only if I'm fully plastered).
12. French police acting very poorly, English getting stuffed
1.Not entirely convinced that the 'put in order' meaning of 'police' = 'rearrange', but I'll give it a point.
13. French provocatively translated when no ITV commercials initially interrupt
1.The subtraction feels a bit overworked
2.Nice subtractive anagram except… it's an ANAGRAM of ITV (also C) that interrupt so this needed indicating e.g. 'bad ITV..'
14. French swimming pool very appealing, essentially.
1.Sound clue. Surface fine but not brilliant (e.g. the 'French' is there just for convenience)
15. Frenchman, ignoring sex at first, pays old lover to dress up
1.Sound clue but surface story not entirely convincing.
16. Frenchman's duck during over – play not up to scratch
1.Sound clue but surface doesn't read entirely naturally.
17. Frenchman’s quaintly poovy circling Van Gogh’s venue endlessly
1.Surface story rambly; little to raise it above the competition.
18. French-Scottish gingerbread avec premier vin and duck egg.
1.The sort of menu you'd only find in a crossword clue
2.Clues must be accurate for the solver; 'French-Scottish' is a single unit (word combination) and thus is your definition of P.
19. Frenchy makes distraught lover pay before love.
1.One of the better 'lover pay' clues
20. Frog's crazy gravity-free groovy leap
1.'Gravity-defying' maybe?
2.'Gravity-defying' better?
3.Humorous picture but is the lack of gravity poetic or the result of being in orbit?
22. Language of love or pay-off?
1.Clues must be accurate in fairness to the solver: 'love or pay-off' is not 'love or pay off'.
2.The hyphen in "pay-off" is necessary, but, for "off" to be used as an a.i., it needs to be a separate word.
23. Local French resistance love struggling with Axis before being captured by Jerry
1.Subject/verb do not agree.
25. Lévy, just not acute, a poor, confused Frenchman!
1.Surely it's unnecessary to "delete the accent", and the effort to do so is clumsy and spoils a potentially good clue
27. Magical lover boy not born a Prince? Frog!
1.Now that's better: this def is specifically relevant to the surface story. Its separation from the rest is weak, but still a nice clue.
28. Maybe Strauss-Kahn got lovey with a pro, in a tumble?
1.One of the few clues in which the def. has specific relevance to the surface story. nice.
33. Nice chap in A&E very poorly treated
1.How succinct and what a pleasant change from all the clues that used 'love'.
2.I like the definition, more obscure than the majority of entries. Good surface reading, too.
3.Nice is used as a noun here so the 'Nice chap' is grammatically meaningless: fairness to the solver means accuracy.
4.Not all Frenchmen come from Nice. For the definition to be sound, an "e.g." or equivalent is needed. Contrast 34, which is sound.
34. Nice language from play overcooked with love (9)
1.Nice is used as a noun here so the 'Nice language' is grammatically meaningless: fairness to the solver means accuracy.
35. Oscar's first play: over-complicated question to migrant on the French border?
1.The hyphen makes one word out of two so the clue becomes inaccurate (erroneous).
36. Overplay tragedy? That's nothing for a Frenchman
1.I prefer no 10 for this anagram
2.'tragedy' is a noun so doesn't describe (indicate) any anagram.
37. Paolo? Very unusual name for a Frenchman
1.Simple, but admirably concise and an entirely natural surface
40. Perhaps he pays for lover to get fresh with his tongue?
1.don't feel there is enough in definition to get to the word
2.Nice try but the def (whole) doesn't cut it with me – a Frenchman doesn't characteristically need to pay for this.
42. Played polo with a very disturbed Frenchman
1.Why are there two anagram indicators? Disturbed does not work as part of the definition.
44. Poor Valéry runs away, teased thus?
1.find it hard to see this as an &lit though one gets the drift
45. Running into manure ruined early victory for one in the French race
1.Nice surface if rather unlikely circumstances.
47. Speaking French poorly? Eva is upset. (9)
1.Strictly "is" is incorrect as it refers to 2 words (and in separate phrases). Who is Eva (other than fodder for the anagram)?
51. Would dashing lover pay for ring, meaning to get engaged?
1.I can't see the definition here
2.Looks like you compromised clue accuracy for a nice surface meaning. The clue "Would (x) meaning (y)?" makes no sense to me.
3.Am I missing something? How does "parleyvoo" mean "to get engaged"? And what is the function of "for" in the s.i.?