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A clue to PROLIX.
142 comments were received for this competition (from 16 competitors, 1 other)
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1.
Some wrong parts of speech and dubious definitions. Some clues define prolix in terms of speech only – of course it can apply to writing as well. A common weakness is the use of LIX as Roman numerals to indicate one or more irrelevant numbers. I found it impossible to separate my top five, so 3 points each to 23 27 34 41 55.
2.
Some very good clues this time and hard to choose between them. In the end I chose 31 and 50 as equal top because of the precise definition, appealing image conjured up by the surface reading and sound but interesting wordplay.
3.
Many a clue could be described as 'prolix'!

Many surfaces, especially the prolix ones, seemed a bit forced.
 
Comments on the clues
1. A real drag queen in political fix – not femenine!
1.Wrong 'spell spoils the magic!
2.Pity about the spelling error but is that an editorial slip?
3.What tells the solver to abbreviate 'political'? It needed a 'small' or perhaps a 'somewhat' to work. I'll ignore the spelling error. Oops!
4.Spelling!
2. All for taking the rise out of elixirs and how their salesmen might talk.
1.The definition defines an adverb. Need to indicate subtracted letters are shown out of order.
2.Rather a strange surface reading.
3."how their salesmen might talk" suggests an adverb to me.
4.nice idea but needs a question mark I think
3. Angrily agree last third of speech from terrible lexicographer could be thus?
1.This is claimed as an &lit, but the whole clue is clearly not the definition.
2.This seems to be a rather cumbersome way to get to the point – rather prolix!
4. At Cannes, prize embraces Le Couer de Zola: "It's notably wordy."
1.I'm not sure what the surface means, but shouldn't it be 'Le Coeur'?
2.Pity "coeur" is misspelled.
3.Does he mean coeur? Rather a sad misspelling!
4.I've awarded a merit for a good effort… despite your misspelling of 'Le Coeur de'! Not sure if a prize can embrace though.
5.coeur
6.Spelling! Ruined a good clue
5. Before side comes back, working class type, with no end in sight, is tediously long winded
1.The surface reading doesn't make much sense
2.Difficult to make sense of this surface reading
6. Bigmouthed for even elfin kiss.
1.Definition is not sufficient
2.even elfin is not the accepted way of picking the even letters of elfin. The word to use is evenly and not even.
7. Boring is the answer for 59
1."Is the answer" feels superfluous
2.is the answer for 59 what?
8. Cut short pleb I found by Number 10 being very verbal
1.Amusingly reminiscent of a recent political affair
2.the surface is very unnatural
3.Nicely topical. Surface reading a little strained.
4.Best of the plebgate references, I thought
5.Wordplay fine, but surface a bit clunky. 2 points.
9. For initiation of both, love and intimacy, sex ultimately is redundant (6)
1.I've given you points for a nice clue… despite the rogue comma after 'both'!
2.The first comma affects the true reading of the clue for the superficial
10. Gabby footballer, for example, leveled leader of One Direction before ten.
1.I don't get the 'random letter'
2.Footballer is not automatically = PRO. Derivation of i is not fair.
3.I don't understand how this clue is meant to work.
4.Encountering this clue in a real crossword, I would have trouble deciphering all the obscure references.
5.I considered using an example of a specific sport for the definition, but decided this would be too separated and not a good idea.
11. Girl, working on the Brighton Line, lost for words? Hardly!
1.I wonder why he inverted his first two words
2.Brighton Line to LIX a bit too much of a leap for me.
3.'Brighton Line' is a bit obscure
4.I don't think 'girl working' is the same as 'working girl'. Just can't get away with that in the CWC competition!
12. Going on for fifty, one has sex at last
1.Great clue: succinct, effective and with a highly amusing surface reading – a winner for me
2.A good clue. Nicely to the point with interesting surface reading.
3.Wryly amusing?
13. I'm rambling next month, I'm off with Oscar around Long Island(6)
1.Too complex construction.
2.prox. = next month perfectly well without the ugly I'm off with Oscar device.
3.Rather prolix!
4.Think this is invalid – your cryptic element does not take the O away, only the IM. Very long explanation – prolix!
14. Introducing one in, for fifty times? Must be tedious!
1.Very well done except 'in, for' bit which is jarring.
2.The deliberately misleading punctuation spoils this for me
15. It's tedious for one under sixty!
1.One under 60 is not One less than 60.
2.I'm not sure 'one under sixty' is valid for 59
3.Nice concise clue, but what is tedious?
4.Sound enough but nothing special in surface reading. Clue 39 does it better.
16. Kept running on for some laps, we hear?
1.Nice construction and surface. However definition is not proper.
2.Could he have omitted the 'some'?
3.nice idea, but I don't think 'some' adds anything
4.'some' is misleading in cryptic reading otherwise worth points
17. Labour leader got one vote after support dwelt too long on particulars
1.I am not convinced that 'pro' can mean 'support'
18. Lengthy commentary as Pietersen opens – run out 50 – turns team around.
1.'Lengthy commentary' defines a noun
2.Surface is slightly off the line.
3.Lovely surface, but it implies a noun.
4.Love the surface reading, but unfortunately I think the 'as' does not have a cryptic role and is supefluous, so I couldn't vote for you!
19. Lengthy work I explore within
1.Merit for brevity.
2.The word order is flawed, since the relevant letters to be anagrammed are 'within' [e]xplor[e]
3.Sound enough but nothing special in surface reading
20. Listener's broad tastes can be tedious
1.Why is 'listener's' required before 'broad'? Surely the only homophone is 'lix/licks'?
2.An original and sound treatment.
21. Long for kiss on lips – not half!
1.Succinct and effective with a fine surface reading
2.Good misleading surface
3.Not sure the order of your clue works. 'Long for first two lips to kiss' would work better.
4.A good clue. Nicely to the point but the extra wording in 50 actually adds something in this case.
5.Clever use of not half!
6.Should really indicate 'rarely' but worth a point
22. Long for one less than sixty
1.Merit for brevity but surface is an issue.
2.Sound enough but not quite there in surface reading/image. Clue 39 does it better.
3.Should indicate 'rare' but worth a point
23. Long-winded concert's endless length leads to impatient xylophonist
1.Nice save rasping of 'leads to' in the surface reading.
25. Long-winded: for fifty-two minutes plus ten to wrap up!(6)
1.'Two minutes' = I is expecting too much of the solver
2."Two minutes" doesn't indicate I.
3.'second minute' would give you the 'I', but 'two minutes' doesn't work.
4.two mInutes=I is not the accepted way of picking I.
5.How can "two minutes" mean the second letter of minutes?
26. Long-winded Maori's ball regularly involves 80 lighting technicians
1.Unconvincing surface
2.80? (LXXX) Lighting technicians?
27. Long-winded role cut in pictures
1.OK, but surface reading not quite there. I slightly prefer the wording in 30 and 55
2.the shortened version of 'pictures' is 'pics'. You needed something to translate that into 'pix'
28. Most of prog is frivolous fancy fretwork and lyrically long-winded
1.Not an entirely satisfactory surface reading
2.Good effort. But, as with 27, it needs a 'sounds like' to translate 'licks' into 'lix'.
29. One in fifty vote after argument in favour becomes drawn out
1.Smoothly done. Best surface.
31. Overusing tongue or lip spoilt kiss
1.Precise definition, appealing image conjured up by the surface reading and sound but interesting wordplay – surely a winner!
2.Very neat misleading definition.
3.Clash of tenses. 'Spoils' would have been better.
32. Pleb: "It's reported I'm standing in front of Number Ten for too long."
1.Homophone doesn't really work.
2.Clue 8 said the same more succinctly
3.Topical idea but clue construction unsound: "Prol" not a word so indicating a homophone won't work; "I'm" is too indirect for "I is"
4.Since 'prole' is monosyllabic, I don't find the homophone entirely convincing
33. 'Pleb' not the term for constable used by one getting cross, having a few words? No!
1.Clue 8 said the same more succinctly
2.If one reads 'pleb not the term' as wordplay then 'constable' looks redundant, so wordplay is a bit clumsy
3.I've awarded points, but I find the clue a little prolix.
34. Positive argument in speech beats rambling
1.I like the way the homophone is indicated seamlessly in the surface reading
35. Primarily ponderous, rambling, over-long, lumbering, interminable and essentially obnoxious, like this clue!
1.A great definition by example, only the X is a bit forced.
2.I like the idea but it just fell off the bottom of the list of clues I could give points to
3.Making a virtue out of prolixity! Not usually the basis of a good clue, but thoroughly apposite here – and amusing too.
4.How true!
36. Public Relations Officer, 59, seeks similar for long and tedious conversation.
1.It made me laugh but I am not convinced that the 'seeks similar' works
2.Lovely surface, but it implies a noun.
3.Nice image. Not quite sure about soundness of "seeks similar"
39. Rambling is for one under 60
1.One under 60 is not equal to 59.
2.No it isn't.
3.Was the 'is' necessary?
4.Best of the 59s
5.Better than 15 or 22 due to surface reading
40. Rambling oxlip dancing on river banks
1.Nice poetic surface, What is role of 'banks'?
2.I am not sure what 'banks' is doing in the clue
41. Rambling oxlip runs rampant
1.Good straightforward anagram idea
2.Nice alliteration
42. Rambling pothead gets prescription filled by gutless oddball with big heart
1.RX for medical prescription is rather obscure.
43. Rarely long for fifty-nine…
1.Naughty but very nice.
44. Recall expression distinctly ill-fitted for bridegroom's speech taking only seconds
1.Original approach
2.Very clever but I am having trouble finding the definition
45. Returning after eleven, fifty Roman soldiers got a bit of pan-fried rabbit – very rare
1.For this definition to be really successful, I would need the 'on' of 'Rabbit on'
46. Rigmarole for the sound of tongues
1.Nice to see a less obvious definition.
48. Three Russian Songs by Rachmaninoff is staccato and tediously lengthy. (6)
1.Knowing this information is expecting too much of the solver
2.How R is taken off Rachamninoff?
3.The Rachmaninov reference is too obscure.
4.This is one of those clues where we would guess at the solution and have to work backwards to understand the word play
5.A bit specialised.
6.Although wordplay is an uncommon reference (and not sure "r" for Rachmaninoff is OK), this is a creative clue.
50. Unhappily long for kiss on lips when missing other half
1.Lovely definition, well camouflaged. Wonder whether both half-lips clues could've used parted lips or something like that?
2.Nice one – very similar to clue 21. Longer but with an equally effective surface reading.
3.Precise definition, appealing image conjured up by the surface reading and sound but interesting wordplay – surely a winner!
4."Long" on its own – 21 22 – seems not quite adequate as a definition of "prolix". The addition of "Unhappily gives this clue the edge.
5.Nearly got points – but "other" half?
51. Verbose professional left one getting cross (6)
1.Syntax doesn't seem right.
2.I like the surface reading – such a familiar situation
53. Windy, windy structure that man is pushed off by call-girl
1.Surface reading is very contrived
2.Merit for unique helical approach.
54. Word-rich for nearly sixty (6)
1.Surface is poor.
55. Wordy part needs trimming in letter to Times
1.From 'pi' to letter is rather a leap and the TO seems to be redundant
2.Not sure how PI = letter. "in Greek's 16th letter" might have got away with it
3.Just "letter" for PI seems a bit of a stretch. Something like "foreigner's letter" would have been fairer.