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A clue to NELSON / PRINCE (Right & Left).
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1.
Some vigorous weeding out seemed desirable so I have discounted entries that equate STRONG HOLD with STRONGHOLD or PRINTS (homophonically) with PRINCE (except 61); entries which include a link word or punctuation mark which is not part of either clue; and the punning use of "columnist".
2.
Sadly — double the senselessness and double the explanatory esssys, with only a few exceptions, alas!
3.
Quite some challenge this month's clue and the same to find a winner. Many shared similar ideas for wordplay but failed to make the surface story plausible or allowed a redundant word to sneak in. Some use of nouns as anagram indicators eg 'movement' not 'movement of' which I discounted and 'columnist' for Nelson only works(for me) as a secondary cryptic clue where one of the dictionary definitions for 'nelson' is also included.
4.
'prints' and 'prince' not a homophone for me
 
Comments on the clues
1. A royal knight in charge marches from Lourdes, besieged by none running amok in a stronghold
1.A STRONGHOLD is not the same as a STRONG HOLD
2.Borders is OK as an indicator, but disguising it as 'marches' is not OK!
3.Marches is great, but I can’t buy stronghold for strong hold.
4.stronghold doesn't equate to 'strong hold'
5.NELSON doesn't mean "in a stronghold": part-of-speech mismatch.
6.Besieged as an indicator to remove and replace content doesn’t work
2. A singer makes sound impression on a columnist: ELO's involved in two numbers
1.PRINTS and PRINCE are not true homophones
2.The ‘on’ doesn’t belong to either clue
3.prints doesn't work as hp for prince for me, sorry. 'on' after impression is a redundant link word
4."on" is extraneous.
5.“On” is redundant . R/L clues should not have a connector between the two halves
3. Accomplished leader trained lens on tracks, rumoured to be of outstanding specimen
1.PRINTS and PRINCE are not true homophones
2.IMO both definitions of PRINCE are too obscure
3.prints as hp for prince doesn't work for me
4.Unfair homophone indicator between identical-enumeration homophones.
5.'to be of' link a bit clumsy, and surface doesn't mean much to me sorry
6.“Of” doesn’t work as a connector .
4. Admiral Halsey essentially captured by noble royal. Ransom demanded? No.
1.Noble does not equal noble gas and I can't see how demanded is a containment indicator
2.'Essentially' sticks out a little in the surface reading
3.A bit too staccato, avoidable esp in a R&L clue
5. An admiral called 111, worried apprentice had lost tape a senior royal made
1.For cricketing enthusiast only, I fear.
2.Subtractive anagrams… boo hiss….
3.The 111 Nelson is named for the admiral so not really a distinct definition.
4.The poetic finish tagged on for convenience apart, the comma acting as a break between the two parts makes the clue not seamless
5.Lovely clue – a contender for my top pick but for the join between clues being a little more obvious than some.
6. As new line's put on hold Harry's only a symbolic person now (6,6)
1.I can't make sense of the explanation
2.Interesting idea but redundant words like 'as', 'put' not ideal, could have been tweaked
7. Breaking news – sadly lose ship's captain, Bounty has new man in charge
1.Two clues linked by a comma which belongs to neither of them.
2.Not seamless, comma introduces break between two parts. Man in charge as def for Prince seems weak
3.Very nice. My main objection is that the split between the two clues is at the sentence divide.
4.The two parts are joined thematically but syntactically don't run together. Still worth some points
5.I like 'breaking news', but the rest doesn't quite hang together
6.NN for news ?
8. Camera found on island with no lens by nice PR agent of royal bearing…
1.I don't see a role for "camera found on" in the first clue, and "by" doesn't belong to either of them.
2.A definition and letter mixture clue? Lots of redundant words and no anagrinds
3.Both components and surface don't have a natural flow
4.I am not sure what is supposed to indicate the anagrams – nor what some of the other words are for
5.Nothing indicates the anagrams.
6.Is 'camera' just there for the surface?
9. Colonel’s onsite guards hold singer in church after psalter ends (6/6)
1.Worth a point even though the surface is a bit puzzling!
2.Psalter is a book, not a song or a person? Ergo, surface suffers.
3.psalter ends is not the same as psalter's ends
4.Beautiful.
5."Colonel’s onsite guards hold" is great, but the rest of the clue goes in a strange direction.
10. "Could be rainier!" spin in Conservative East Lancashire town, wrestling control from former captain (6&6)
1."Rainier" needs to be capitalised, and PR = SPIN is dubious.
2.Rainier needs to keep its capital letter, unfortunately
3.Could be Rainier but not rainier
4.A very contrived surface, and Rainier without capitalisation doesn't work
5.Cute, but the lowercase "rainier" isn't fair, and the surface expression is "wresting control", not "wrestling control".
11. Crown's deceitfully nice PR turns lens on an unlucky figure
1."Turning" might be a better anagrind.
2.'turns' as anagrind before the fodder is iffy. not sure about 'crown' as a definition for prince
3.'Crown' and 'unlucky figure' both seem inadequate definitions
4.Nice compact clue, but ‘turns’ as an anagram indicator preceding the fodder AND the definition? Maybe, ‘turned’?
5.'turns' doesn't work satisfactorily as an anagram indicator, turned or turning would
6.If both parts are read together, it should be “turning” rather than turns
12. Epic struggles with Royal Navy, historic leader who made Napoleon's sides lose at sea?
1.a very similar clue just clinched the points for me, I'm afraid
2.There seems to be wordplay but no definition for 'prince'?
3.Nicely constructed
4.no def for Prince? Napoleon's sides appears strange for surface, just side really, it's the British who had allies?
5.Good one with excellent surface readings too
13. For example, ‘Hamlet’ creates an impression for the audience in Newcastle by layering severed heads about Horatio’s conclusion
1.PRINTS and PRINCE are not true homophones.
2.Too verbose, and anyway prints as hp for prince doesn't work for me
3.layering severed heads does not equal heads of layering severed
14. Gas about extremely lecherous Admiral Vincent possibly guarding new member of Royal Family
1.Admiral Vincent? Just a name picked to serve the definition?
15. Hamlet in Copenhagen battle was an armed strong hold leading to victory
1.A STRONGHOLD is not the same as a STRONG HOLD
2.I can't make sense of this
3.Neither clue is very cryptic
4.No wordplay. Hamlet was a 'strong hold'? Unconvincing surface and incomplete clueing
5.should be 'stronghold' surely?
6.I don't understand the wordplay for PRINCE, and 'leading to victory' is too woolly to get to NELSON
7.Only two definitions and no wordplay ?
16. Hamlet maybe drunk nice port, wanting to hold Horatio?
1.I think both parts of a subtractive anagram should have an anagrind, unless the letters are already in the right order.
2.Almost great but I don’t think “drunk” works in the surface
3.Nice connection between Hamlet and Horatio, but the surface needs ‘drank’ not ‘drunk’
4.drank or drunk? cf Hamlet ate food vs Hamlet eaten food. If drunk is used as past tense, that's archaic
5.need to indicate that T&O are not next to each other – but nice concise clue
17. Harry’s reward: holding Megan’s foot whilst Lionel’s on the box entertaining Rockefeller
1.Second part isn't convincing. Lionel who?
2.Seems a forced surface, HIPS is closed off at the end, and 'whilst', 'the box' all extraneous which spoils the construction
3.Amusing but “whilst” is redundant
4.I like the PRINCE clue, but 'whilst' doesn't seem to belong to either?
5.Hidden words should start and end within another word to be more elegant
18. He may rule out pincer strike in favour of facing down large numbers about fallen officer
1."strike in favour of FROM facing down" would be needed for the wordplay
2.I feel moving one letter is hardly an anagram. BUt the clue works – so that is something
3.Too bitty for my liking
4.Complex construction that works, though surface is not convincing and fallen officer for Nelson seems a tad tame
19. Hold back some casinos lending monetary value without new head of state in Monaco
1.Can't see why absence of head of state should be relevant, and "amount of money" might work better.
2.Wordplay seems fine but can't see any logical connection between the parts in the surface
3.Surface doesn’t work well
20. Hold different lens on royal's nice PR spinning
1.Nice clue, albeit a slightly obscure surface.
2.Impressively efficient wordplay but I’m not convinced by the surface
3.Works well but just a little less convincing than 23
4.Good wordplay, surface less convincing than other similar clues
21. Hold Horatio, Harry… Charming
1.Two clues separated by a comma which belongs to neither of them.
2.Impressively succinct! Wouldn’t some indication be required for definitions by example of prince?
3.What does the surface convey? Two DDs a bit too simplistic, and anyway the latter pair is really conveying the same thing
4.single definition, 3 examples
5.Cute, but the two definitions of PRINCE are really the same.
22. Hold in ring on lens developing photos for dictator and queen’s son
1.PRINTS and PRINCE are not true homophones
2.prints as hp for prince doesn't work for me, sorry
3.It works as a clue. But the surface doesn't seem to mean anything
4.Surface means what?
23. Hold lens trained on Royal pair, finding nice shot
1.Left, right, knockout! Best clue.
2.So concise, and a great surface. Very good
3.Concise clue. Not sure what ‘finding’ is doing in the wordplay. Maybe “… pair – nice shot!”
4.Best of the lot for me, concise, and a credible surface
5.My winner and in 9 words – excellent.
24. Hold sign about extremely lawless entitled son of man ultimately in charge
1.Surface is a bit random (part of a protest gathering?)
2.neon by itself as sign seems weak, would need neon light or similar?
25. Hold train in tunnel so nasty brick damage gets probed by technician conclusively
1.Excellent construction, although I'm not entirely convinced by brick = prince, it seems a bit indirect.
2.Very inventive, I'm just not sure about 'brick' as definition for prince
3.Lots to like but not convinced by brick as definition of prince
4.OK, not the most natural sounding surface
5.train=letter-sequence is fiendish I like it! brick=PRINCE feels a bit of a stretch but a nice example of RIGHT & LEFT clue
26. Hold up lesson, half-heartedly spar, ignoring the odds, with nice bendy ruler
1.Whether or not you think "up" is a convincing anagrind (I don't), there's no role for "half-heartedly in the wordplay.
2.Nice image. But missing an 'N' in Nelson unfortunately
3.Faulty anagram of Nelson
4.Surface appears very forced. Where does the second N in Nelson come from?
5.Missing an N in NELSON. (Also I'm not fond of "up" as an anagrind.)
6.I love the unexpected classroom surface – but NELSON missing an N?
27. Horatio was left in the wild endless poem by Shakespeare, and was neither the first nor last character in the stirring epic, 'Hamlet'.
1.An indirect anagram of SONNET which I don't see how anyone could get.
2.Ambitious, but indirect anagrams, questionable first/last letter indications and inaccurate words like 'was' and extra 'the-s' aren't fair t
3.Too much of an essay here
4.No
5."and was" is extraneous.
6.Too long
7.Indirect anagram
28. How much is it to adopt new royal name? Finally, palace reveal it's on hold
1.Very deceptive, since the break comes after "royal". Not convinced by the surface, though.
2.Like the wordplay, not quite as keen on the surface
3.Comes across as just some expeditious words strung together, not a natural sounding surface
4.A good inventive try but surface story stretching it.
29. In kennels only hold something outstanding: a pinscher mongrel has gone astray.
1.I think both parts of a subtractive anagram should have an anagrind, unless the letters are already in the right order.
2.The two parts seem unrelated without a logical connection
3.Surface doesn’t read well
30. King's son, a very popular musician and Emma Hamilton's lover, is featured in "Tunnel Songs
1.Two clues linked by the word "and" which belongs to neither of them.
2.Exactly, 'and' is the join, but ideally there should be no join
3.rather not have a "join" and what are "Tunnel Songs"?
4.Surface looks very contrived
5.I don't think there should be a joining word at all – 'and' needs to belong to one of the clues
31. Leader in newspaper's picked up famous columnist’s points about keeping editorial limits
1.I'd like the pun (columnist) to be indicated somehow.
2.Like famous columnist and the surface is very good. Not totally convinced by the homophone.
3.prints as hp for prince doesn't work for me, sorry
4.Almost very good, but I’m not keen on ‘editorial limits’ for EL
32. Leader of company in rep playing Hamlet maybe fluffed lines, missing one, just after he did it with Hamilton
1.Very ingenious. I wasn't sure about "just after" for "on", but it seems fine when I think about it.
2.very well-chosen and original definition for Nelson!
3.A different take, makes the shortlist
4.Clue for prince is very good but feel nelson is too difficult with just=on and obscure definition
5.nice (and slightly filthy – I like filthy)
33. Learn about a king's missing son and hold press conference, pouring out heart, when running out of time to find him?
1.Clever but demanding too much of the solver I think
2.Took me a few reads to get this. 'son' is half the word reproduced as is; 'and' is a join so the clue isn't seamless
3.‘Running out of time’ should really go before ‘press’
34. Lock limits of noise levels on guitarist's audio tracks (6/6)
1.Lovely, very concise and convincing surface
2.PRINTS and PRINCE are not true homophones, and simply calling Prince a guitarist seems a bit weak.
3.First part is very nice. Don’t think I would have got the second part had it been a stand-alone clue 😊
4.prints as hp for prince doesn't work for me, sorry
5.Very nicely done.
6.Price for guitarist is a weak definition but otherwise a nice concise clue
35. London columnist's gas about extremely luckless Harry, say's, cost maintaining Meghan ultimately
1.I'd like the pun (columnist) to be indicated somehow, and say's is ungrammatical.
2.Good ideas but needs more development to work properly
3.say's or says? either way, doesn't flow naturally
4.Nice idea but just needs work to sound more natural
36. Man perched high directed lens towards royal figure pinching woman’s bottom
1.Bit of a stretch to get Nelson from 'man perched high' but gets points
2.very nice
3.Great surface
37. Mandela, maybe, appears in panels on a royal who's a royal without a ship (6/6)
1.The surface makes no sense.
2.Not a fan of closed-ended HIPS, and root issue with the second half
3.I think cryptically giving prince as princesss without ss is a bit disappointing
4.Starts well but ends up rather nonsensical
5.The definition and wordplay for 'prince' are too similar IMHO
6.Two weaknesses IMO: the same root word for both royals, and the hidden word is at the end of its hider.
38. Member of royal family’s new charge about hold of channels online (6,6)
1.I can't really see what the surface is meant to convey.
2.Would have preferred 'being about' to 'about' but still makes the cut
39. Monarch's pincer movement crushed guts of insolent admiral
1.I wasn't sure about a prince being a monarch, but it seems OK. Surface story is rather random.
2.Very efficient and accurate wordplay. Only reservation is that pincer is very close to prince so not a great anagram
3.Don't particularly like nounal anagrinds, but think it's ok here, though points reduced for the past tense construct
4.I wondered whether 'pincer movement' would crop up. nicely done.
40. Non-smoker pens letter to hold pulmonologist responsible primarily – spoiling nice Hamlet, say
1.Using a dash instead of "for" preserves the wordplay but spoils the surface. And shouldn't it be a letter of thanks?
41. One topping column has nice PR about Charles.
1.Two clues separated by the word "has" which belongs to neither of them.
2.No wordplay for Nelson, and 'has' is a join, so not seamless
3.First clue needs some wordplay, second could do with a ?
4.Pedants will argue that 'Charles' needs a dbe indicator!
5.Missing wordplay half for NELSON
42. One’s left shot at end of action, noble leader worth embracing
1.Two clues separated by a comma which belongs to neither of them.
2.Good attempt at 2 &lits but I’m more convinced by the wordplay than the definitions, which feel as though they impinge on each other
3.No definitions? Can't see this as a combined &lit for both parts, especially since Nelson wasn't a prince
4.First clue very good. I don’t think the second is quite & lit. Are princes worth embracing?
5.Two &lits in one, very nice except for the join not being disguised
6.I like NELSON part but not convinced PRINCE part works as &lit, and two &lits read as two clues, rather than a single RIGHT&LEFT clue
7.Original and inventive – excellent.
43. Pincer movement by Royal Naval Officer channels onlookers inwards
1.'onslaught' would be a nice replacement for the somewhat out of place 'onlookers'
2.I don't think "inwards" works as a containment indicator.
3.wordplay by definition doesn't work
4.don't like movement (a noun) as an anagram indicator
5.Starts nicely but a weak ending
44. Pincer movement gave this old leader hold colonels once held
1.no reason for past tense in the cryptic reading
2.The past tense words "gave" and "held" spoil the wordplay.
3.OK, but not aware of any special hold that colonels may have had, surface not very compelling
4.don't like movement (a noun) as an anagram indicator
5.Obsolete? Go tell that to Liechtenstein, or Monaco.
45. Pincer movement makes sovereign hold on after lines cut island off (6,6)
1."Cut" is a poor anagrind, unless it's part of cut…off, in which case there's no anagrind at all.
2.lines, eg supply lines may get cut off, but how do lines cut an island off?
3.don't like movement (a noun) as an anagram indicator
4.Smooth and good join, but if 'lines' is naval terminology, it's a bit obscure for my taste
46. Prominence of warning sign ignored by him, sacked through personnel mismanagement.
1.Can't see any definitions
2.Prominence is a good spot, but the comma just seems to be a separator, not part of either clue.
3.Didn't follow this at all, can't see either word being defined.
4.no
5.Original ideas, but wordplay grammar is very strained
6.Wordplay halves are present, definitions are not.
7.I can't see/understand the definitions
47. Public relations during ‘Catholic’ furore ultimately may create issue for leader occupying No.10, extremely licentious man famous for his column (6,6)
1.A fun clue, but the periodic table reference is much too obscure.
2.Too long-winded
3.‘No. 10’ for neon is a bit abstruse
4.It's very long, and using 'No 10' to indicate 'neon' is hardly fair!
48. Root strikes IPL big shot in flannels on 111 (6, 6)
1.For cricketing enthusiast only, I fear.
2.Like this but feel the prince component would be very difficult to solve
3.Everyone out there would be in flannels, what does that special mention convey?
4.nice
5.I like the first wordplay, but NELSON isn’t inside ‘flannels on’, so it’s a weak ‘hidden’ clue
6.Subtractive anagrams are not my cup of tea and this one has indirect fodder!
49. Royal charge had new admiral lose badly in nation's borders
1.Surface doen't seem to make much sense.
2.Very well constructed. My only quibble is that admirals usually lose outside the nations borders!
3.Wordplay works, but you'd expect an admiral to lose at sea, not inside the nation's borders – unless it was an election?
4.Not keen on ‘had’ as a containment indicator. Admirals usually lose badly outside a nation’s borders.
50. Royal in church following public relations disaster for lesson requiring change of direction and getting a grip
1.Discrete, unconnected elements not having a natural flow
51. Royal Navy – in charge, one's admiral, slain finally at sea
1.The admiral seems to be doing double duty: he provides both the definition and the letter L for the wordplay.
2.Comma after charge separating the two halves, not seamless
3.Slightly prefer 12 but this is also very good
52. Royal Navy in cost cutting refusal, letter primarily says, heading from newly decorated admiral (6;6)
1.I can see where you get NO, EL, S, and N, but where's the anagrind?
2.this gives NOELSN, not Nelson. Surface doesn't seem to mean much
3.Slightly spoilt by ‘cutting’ (a no can be polite). Maybe ‘payment refusal’?
4.Cost cutting is v good, but overall not smooth enough
53. Royal Navy probing charge acting silent without placing it on hold
1.Not keen on "acting" as an anagrind.
2.Good wordplay but the surface doesn’t make enough sense
54. Royal Navy splits fee it deducted from insolent disorganised Admiral
1.Runs together well and nice wordplay, fairly plausible surface.
2.Works even if not very flattering to the RN or its admiral
3.Another decent ‘Royal Navy’ clue
4.Among the cleanest clues here, both in surface and in wordplay+definition.
5.Of the many excellent clues this clue edged it for me with its pleasant rhythm, clear indicators and a seamless join between clues.
55. Royal nipper making right move in wrestling match? Hold on – lens is blurred!
1.Misleading punctuation is ok in wordplay but not in definition I feel
2.Almost a good clue, but rather spoilt by the ? in the middle of the second def.
56. Royal photographs, reportedly ones shot with night lens, primarily in Lancashire town
1.PRINTS and PRINCE are not true homophones.
2.prints as hp for prince doesn't work for me
3.Good clue, but beaten by some of the other royal photos
57. Sounds like death toll is concerning for Admiral Newton , overwhelmed by damage for future monarch (6 :6)
1.Works better for me as "sounds like death toll is" for KNELL'S. But surface doen't seem very plausible, whichever Admiral Newton is meant.
2.Not a convincing surface
3.Nice idea, but I'm afraid "knell's on" doesn't sound like "Nelson". The former has a z; the latter, an s.
4.The Nelson clue on its own is very good
58. Springfield Elementary student turned lens on public relations firm acquiring drugs for R&B star
1.Very obscure definition of Nelson
2.firm for INC seems a stretch, corporation maybe
59. Victorious admiral destroyed French salt (no great man) in pincer movement
1.indirect anagram of 'sel non' is unfair to the solver
2.I'm not keen on indirect anagrams, whether involving elementary French or not.
3.Having to translate the fodder into French is too indirect for my taste
4.an indirect anagram using French words? Doubt I'd even think of that
5.no to indirect anagram; no to movement as anagram indicator
6.An indirect anagram is a bit much in a double clue
60. Will possibly new cost-cutting title hold London's top columnist?
1.I'd prefer to see the fact that columnist is a pun indicated somehow.
2.Lots to like in this but I’m not sure the extra definition helps with solvability
3.why 2 defs for prince? And anyway should be new cutting cost, not the other way round?
4.Your first and third PRINCEs are the same definition twice.
61. Willie for one statue, being elevated, almost audibly impresses lad at palace
1."Almost" makes it the only acceptable PRINTS/PRINCE clue. Glad Willie Nelson gets a mention. Alternative spelling of willy (penis) is fine.
2.prints as hp for prince not ok by me, and almost hp is a new one!
3.Needs to sound more natural
4.Made me laugh. Really like this in spite of the 'almost', which I don't think is strictly needed and doesn't add to the surface