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A clue to TOERAG.
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It will be interesting to compare the successful Azed clues with these (which I found uninspiring). I sent in different clues for the two competitions – a simpler topical one here and a more complex one with a completely new idea (not used in any clue here) for Azed.
 
Comments on the clues
1. A Roget possibility for "ratbag"
1.Good spot!
2.For an &lit you need "possibility for 'ratbag'" to be an anagrind.
3.Simple but effective.
4.'possibility' anagrind has grown on me
2. A rogue, tramp to a T, not posh! (6)
1.I don't think tramp is a very good anagrind. NB Explanations don't need to be so elaborate, perhaps
3. Angry Top Gear presenter initially dismissed for annoying person
1.The surface doesn’t make much real-world sense
2."Agitated" (for example) might be a better anagrind
4. Awful rat with ego, perhaps
1.I almost entered a very similar clue but felt that a toerag was as likely to lack ego as to have ego
2.Not a convincing definition
3.For an &lit you need one anagrind, not one at the start and another at the end.
5. Bad egg, rat, good-for-nothing
1.Nice idea but i’d expect good-for-nothing to replace nothing with good rather than good with nothing
2.Nothing-for-good, surely?
3.Good-for-nothing would signify replacing O by G, not the opposite
4.Lovely construction.
5.The wordplay would be properly clued "nothing-for-good". This doesn't quite work.
6.Nice idea but good for nothing is G for O not O for G
6. Base one's composition on note about love
1.Great definition but what does the surface mean?
2.Love the misleading def, but not convinced by composition=RAG
7. Bum got sorted – about time!
1.‘Got’ needs a reversal indicator
2.Some eye-watering interpretations of the surface possible here!
8. Bum note organist played in tons edited out (6)
1.Clever wordplay but surface doesn't make enough sense
2.Really like the 'bum note' but rest of surface doesn't mean anything to me
9. Canter before Grand National leaves Ornate unsettled
1.Cleverly done, but it's a very obscure definition
2.Good but to be great needed Ornate to be a Grand National horse
3.Wrong type of racehorse, unfortunately – Ornate is a flat racer
4.I'd like this more if Ornate was a well known Grand National contender
5.Complicated
11. Contemptible type shot goat when Brenda came in
1.This only happens in crossword clues
2.ER for Brenda is rather obscure if you don't read Private Eye (perhaps even if you do)
3.The (Private Eye?) 'Brenda' substitute doesn't add much to this already strange surface
4.I don't think it's fair to use Brenda = ER. Not widely known except amongst PE readers.
12. Cummings, say, reported by FT for inappropriate frottage (6)
1.Definition is rather broad and surface story is unlikely
2.Loopy surface aside, 'reported by' as link/padding and 'inappropriate' grind don't work for me
13. Despicable fellow manhandles garrote heartlessly.
1.The spelling of ‘garrotte’ is new to me, but I see it’s in Chambers as (US)
2.Don't think you'd "manhandle" a garrote – the intended victim perhaps
3.'manhandles' doesn't quite work in the context of the surface, something suggesting deliberate or sneaky handling would be better
14. Despicable man creates outrage, not classy.
1.Are all toerags men? And I'd like to see the back of the whole U / non-U business anyway (not just in crossword clues)
2.The wordplay creates the answer, not the other way round?
15. Despicable person misbehaving at orgies is kicked out (6)
1.My favourite of the ‘despicable’ clues
2.Best of the "despicable" clues.
16. Despicable person omitted essential truth from manufactured outrage (6)
1.Not convinced 'essential truth' can mean U
17. Dog got ear treated (6)
1.Neat 4 word clue!
2.Nice, simple, and tells a believable story
3.Nice short clue
18. Down and outer insult quickly turns to rage
1.Would work better without ‘insult quickly’
2.Presumably the definition is "down and outer insult", which seems OK, but why quickly?
3.I don't get the surface sorry
4."Insult quickly" seems unnecessary?
19. Dr. Scholl’s dressing for a bum foot?
1.Rather weak as a joke or a clue, I think
2.Not sure that bum foot = bum's foot
3.Some nice ideas here, but can't see how whole thing is a definition for TOERAG
4.The podiatrist is back, I see!
20. Epithet describing nameless one? Right!
1.Neat but unconvinced by definition
2.Not quite &lit to me – TOERAG is not an epithet for someone nameless.
21. Go thee roam, homeless vagrant! (6)
1.The "home" element needs a separate anagrind
2.The most unnatural-sounding clue of them all!
23. Great wins Oscar after playing villain (6)
1.I can’t see how ‘wins’ means ‘takes in’
2.Who's 'Great'? Is this someone I should have heard of?
24. Greta nastily laid into by old bum
1.The Trump reference isn't particularly obvious
25. Heel of digital sock.
1.I question whether digital sock (clothing for a foot) = toe rag (clothing for part of a foot?)
2.Concept of 'digital sock' glove/sock hybrid amuses me, but strongly suspect it's invented for purpose of this clue!
26. Heel, part of the foot to make fun of
1.Almost brilliant, but a heel is not an obvious target for humour
27. Heel-and-toe leg-pull
1."Toe" in plain sight in the clue makes the answer too obvious
2.I don't understand the surface
28. Horrible man got back without maturity (6)
1.TOAGEG? I imagine this started out as GOT reversed around ERA, but the setter later got confused and changed ERA to AGE
2.TOAGEG? TOEGAG?
3.Surface reading doesn't make much sense to me. Got back where? Got back at someone?
4.The surface sounds unconvincing.
29. Horror books sent back by online newspaper
1.Like the surface, but not convinced by e-rag.
2.Not a fan of the "online"="E-" trope. Has anyone ever called an online newspaper an "E-rag"?
30. Initially, Tories' ousted "expert" ranted against Government. Is he someone to despise?
1.Quite like the acrostic itself, but the indicator feels forced
31. Labour's leader can quit tolerating party that's down and out!
1.I like this – very ingenious, although you have to mentally adjust it to "Labour's leader AND can…"
2.TO(L)ERA(TIN)G is a good spot, informal 'party' has dictionary support, but surface a tad strained
3.Nice idea.
32. Love great wobbly bum
1.One point for the giggle
2.A welcome relief from some of the more elaborate efforts
3.Another neat 4 word clue!
4.lol my favourite of the GREAT+O clues
5.Fun
6.Easy winner for me – inventive humorous wordplay and in only 4 words – bravo.
33. Lowlife features in great novel about love
1.Good surface story and wordplay.
34. MOBO finally awarded to 'great' Dizzee Rascal (6)
1.Great idea to use Dizzee Rascal
2.Nicely done, albeit I don’t think historically accurate as he won first MOBO in 2004
3.His name would need to be "Dizzy" to be an anagrind
4.Inverted commas around 'great' seems needlessly snarky!
35. No fellow of great rank
1.The neatest of the & lit. clues
2.Not necessarily a toerag – could be the man on the Clapham omnibus of legal fame, for example
36. Nobody is exceptionally great about nothing (6)
1.The double negative makes for a very confusing surface
2.Is the surface meant to be nonsense?
37. Nothing great about him!
1.As in 35, the definition is too broad
38. Oik celebrated job at tabloid newspaper
1.Funny but a little obscure I think
2.It's a bit much to expect solvers to recall an obscure 1992 tabloid headline
3.Funny (after seeing explanation), but even with help from 'tabloid newspaper', I'd never get TOE from 'celebrated job'
4.I didn't understand this.
5.The reference is much too obscure!
39. Old foot-wrapper for a vagrant? It's Tagore's version
1.What has Tagore got to do with it, though?
40. One who grates is maybe nothing great (6)
1.Crossword puns need to be a bit more subtle, I think
41. Outrage when university expelled drunken miscreant
1.Best of the outrage anagrams
42. Primarily tramp, or even rather a git?
1.Acrostics have to sound completely natural. 'Or even rather' doesn't.
2.Primarily, the word 'primarily' is used to write unnatural-sounding cryptic crossword clues!
43. Queen has toga adjusted to cover bum
1.Funniest clue!
2.A bit too silly? (And lèse-majesté?)
3.Pretty Cheeky!
4.WE are amused!
44. Rascal Paddy’s first to be dropped from ‘Top Gear’ revamp
1.Marginally prefer this of the Top Gear clues
2.He wasn't
3.Lovely stuff great clue
4.Different surface story and wordplay.
45. Rascal's got reformed over time
1.‘Got’ needs a reversal indicator
47. Reverend Spooner's file name for a despicable sort of fellow (6)
1."File name" or "filename" usually refers to computer files these days, I can't see its relevance for Spooner
2.The problem with Spoonerisms is that you have to mention Spooner…..
48. Rogue badger follows beginnings of trail outside earth
1.Not convinced that badger = rag, or that a trail can have more than one beginning
2.Does rag mean badger??
49. Saw troubled Greta Garbo becoming a worthless person
1.'Saw' seems redundant. Nice idea for garb O
2."Saw" doesn't seem to be doing anything in the wordplay, and "Garbo" can't reasonably be interpreted as "garbs O"
3.'troubled Greta Garb o' clever, but shouldn't it be 'garbs o' or 'garbing o'? 'characters of Greta Garbo' maybe?
50. Schmo that ends up with gear in tatters? (6)
1.One of the best!
2.Nice down clue, although "Schmo who" would be more natural if it didn't ruin the wordplay
3.Joint first place for me.
4.It's not a good enough story
51. Scoundrel got hauled up – about time! (6)
1.Best of the GOT* around ERA clues
52. Sort of rogue with a striking uniform for end of feet?
1.What on earth does this mean?
54. Tagore’s composition – “Beggar Woman” (6)
1.Very hard for the layperson but a great clue
2.Great spot
3.Nice find. Def needs a ? I think
4.A beggar woman is not thereby a "despicable character", certainly not in Bhikarini, or anything by Tagore, I imagine
5.Great find, but def needs a question mark unfortunately.
55. Tatty footgear’s revealing of me
1.Not usually keen on comp anagrams but this is really nicely done
2.Joint first place for me.
3.Nobody likes these things!
4.Good to see a comp anag that’s relatively simple. Very neat &lit. My favourite clue
56. The content of a Hirohito era gyoza is despicable (6)
1.Uses an adjective to define a noun
2.Despicaable is an adjective. Toerag is a noun.
3.A tad forced?
57. Tory leader suffering rage after latest fiasco – contemptible person (6)
1.I don't like "latest fiasco" = O
2.Not convinced by 'latest fiasco' for O
3.I don't accept 'latest fiasco' = O. 'End of fiasco' would work.
58. Tramp around area of land obtained outside (6)
1.Neither "obtained" nor "outside" seem to make much sense here
2.Surface not special enough to justify obscure 'are'
3.ARE is a usage that I really don't like.
59. Tramp's dog biting Old English and Rottweiler's tail
1."Old English" on its own won't do – (sheepdog or bulldog, etc?)
2.Old English is a language. Did you mean Old English Sheepdog?
60. Travelog: Avoiding Romans, touring heel.
1.Interesting wordplay idea, but I can’t find any evidence that ‘Romans’ = Roman numerals
2.'avoiding romans' new to me, but I quite like the idea – surface doesn't quite click though
3.The surface unfortunately makes no sense.
61. Unfortunate bubbly shortage quietly buried
1.Very good misleading surface
2.Nice different clue – just feel there ought to be a better deletion indicator (for the surface story) than 'buried'.
62. Vagabond captured in revolution served several years inside
1.Nice surface reading, although several years = ERA is a little weak
63. Vagabond going through large tin shed (6)
1.Satisfying clue, wordplay requiring a bit more thought than many others
2.Excellent wordplay, although it's unclear what the vagabond is up to, so I prefer the same idea in 31
64. Who actually makes random call at your gate?
1.Clever comp anag, though definition a bit vague
2.A rogue trader, prospective MP, religious campaigner etc?
3.definition works for door-to-door salesman, but a bit weak for TOERAG
4.Nice anagram find, but the surface doesn't mean much to me.
66. Wretched heartless goadster!
1.I like the anagram-of-outer-letters device, but surface/def not quite convincing enough for me, sorry