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A clue to WETLANDS.
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Comments on the competition
1.
I think the singular word "slough" is fine as a definition for wetlands, but I'm not sure about "swamp" etc, and I prefer the clues that use plural versions. Some of the &lits don't qualify as such in my book but I'm beginning to doubt myself because they keep cropping up. Some of the clues reinforce my belief that compound anagrams and initial letter clues should be a last resort. On the other hand, something more original may be required to do well in this competition than fairly easy anagrams like "lads went", "newts lad", "laws tend" or even "Del wants".
2.
For me this was a disappointing selection of entries with no outright winner. Implicit in the term 'standard cryptic clue' is for me the understanding that a clue should satisfy general crossword norms for publication which rule out crude/likely to offend terminology and also limit the length of any clue to a reasonably succinct number of words. There were quite a few entries this month which ignored these basic conventions. Clever, witty and amusing clues ( whether or not a bit risque) are to be admired but they are very difficult to achieve with taste and reasonable brevity – which is why they stand out when they are done well and garner the votes.
3.
Clues 36 and 37 are suspiciously similar… could somebody be using a fake ID to get more than one clue entered?
 
Comments on the clues
1. A newt swimming across lake ends in waterlogged grass in such?
1.Just the ending not quite natural.
2. Are teal, swans and ducks primarily swimming in these areas?
1.Slightly ambiguous surface (what does "primarily" refer to?) but deserves a merit
2.Too complicated for me
3.An S too many?
3. Area man-free, a newt and salamander ground
1."-free" would be dubious even for a single word, and I don't think it works at all for two separate words
4. Area that's saturated with fancy dental surgeries, primarily
1.Good definition but very unlikely surface
2.Los Angeles? I'm afraid I don't like clues using obvious indicators like 'primarily'
3.Surface doesn’t make sense
5. Bawd (plus client) furiously abandoning foul public bogs (8)
1."Bawd" makes for a rather odd surface
2.I dislike long subtractive anagrams
6. Bog roll empty: schoolchild initially nervous about leaving turd – gross
1.Contrived wordplay (ew?) and the two parts of the clue separated by the colon bear little relation to each other
2.If the bog roll is empty, it won't stop him/her from flushing away the turd….
3.Enjoyed it but not sure I would ever have solved it!
4.Nice misleading def. Roll and empty used well. Great, playful surface. Too complex???
5.Not an appealing surface
7. Bogs? Lads went out here
1.What does the surface mean?
2.Simple, tight surface.
3.It might be better to rewrite this as a single sentence, something like "Bogs where lads went astray?" perhaps
4.If "bogs" is the definition then what is "here" for?
8. Broad to Stokes and Paddy fields (8)
1.I had forgotten s = stokes (unit of kinetic viscosity) but it's in Chambers. I recognize cricketers Broad and Stokes, but not Paddy.
2.Nice idea
3.Nice idea, but clueing a plural as a charade of the singular and S is a little weak.
4.To spoils the reading. And clueing WETLAND as such lacks cryptic element.
9. Del wants new pitch in Slough (8)
1.is 'new pitch' meant to be one anagram indicator or two?
2."New pitch" instead of just "new" isn't convincing
10. Digested stew and left to find a bog
1.Admirably concise, although it could just as easily be an anagram of "stew left"
11. Ecosystems, say, of watery enclosures, typically lavishing around nourishment; discovered so at the outset
1.Using initials with a word like this can result in an overlong clue
2.'Ecosystems, say' – too vague as a definition for me
3.Acrostics need to sound completely natural. This one needs further work.
4.Like many (most?) initial letter clues, the surface is rather unnatural
5.Nice but a bit long.
12. Extremes of licentiousness lure conservative into the quagmire (8)
1.Not convinced by conservative = wet
2.Conservatives could be dry…..
3.Perhaps "conservative" should have a capital C, and A lures B does not mean A follows B (on the contrary, perhaps)
13. Fields flooded with external light, east and west stand upper tiers are now dark suddenly (8)
1.Not convinced by "external light" for LT, "stand" for reversal, and "upper tiers" for first letters. Trying too hard to be original?
2.Not a smooth surface
3."upper tiers of", perhaps, but not just "upper tiers"
14. Goes round central Italy, skipping Venice area maybe
1.What is 'skipping' adding to this? Clue works better without it
2.Not sure about "central Italy" for "tal", and Venice isn't in central Italy, of course, so "maybe" doesn't quite work
3.Goes = wends is pushing it a bit. Not sure what 'skipping' achieves.
4.Neatly done
5.Would Venice qualify as wetlands ?
15. Here, maybe, are stilts wanted, as bell bottoms getting frayed
1.The surface doesn't make much sense.
2.Ingenious if vague definition but it's all rather odd
3.Nicely constructed but rather obscure
4.I didn't know stilts referred to wading birds. Love this extra layer to the clue.
16. Home for dippers and left-leaning tories
1.Nice but would be fairer with a “?”
2."Home" needs to be "homes" I think, certainly for the second definition
3.An example of where the instruction to give the source of a definition would be useful. The second is not in my Chambers.
17. In front of square, openers for England, Tavaré and Luckhurst, caught by Rod Marsh
1.Clue would have scored higher – but I am struggling with the idea of the wicketkeeper catching people in front of square…
2.Nicely done but L & T’s test careers didn’t overlap! (Also, unlikely that both openers would be caught in front of square by the keeper)
3.If "rod" = "wand" (I'm not convinced)and the cricketing references are authentic then this is fine
18. Jim Prior wins in Slough (8)
1.Apologies to the late Baron Prior, but this is very obscure
2.Jim Prior? Who's he? Clues need to be accessible to people under 60!
3.Obscure
4.Super political reference to give a lovely surface to the clue. Quite niche though…?
19. Lads went crackers for broads in Norfolk
1.Definition by example, otherwise my favourite of the "lads went" clues, although "broads" (girls?) is a bit old-fashioned
2.Nowadays use of broad in this context may be seen as not kosher.
3.Cheeky but excellent.
20. Lads went off causing a slough (8)
1.Presumably the surface means something like "Lads went off causing progress to stop" but that's still a bit weak
21. Lads went wild – rush home
1.Inconsistent tenses, although perhaps that's just a matter of style. The definition is a nice kenning.
2.Deceptive definition but unconvincing surface
3.nice deceptive definition
22. Laws tend perhaps to stop dumping in swampy area.
1.Can't see what 'to stop dumping' contributes to the wordplay
2.What does the surface mean? Are there more arrests for fly-tipping in boggy areas?
3.Unfortunately that's not usually the case
4.What is "stop dumping" there for?
23. Laws tend to be broken resulting in quagmires (8)
1.Wordplay works but the clue lacks sparkle
2.Very similar to 24, and who associates lawlessness with quagmires?
24. Laws tend to get broken in areas where one might get bogged down (8)
1.Very similar to 23 although "areas where one might get bogged down" is slightly better than "quagmires"
2.Wordplay and definition work but overall it's a bit pedestrian
25. Let out worthless London borough houses and flats
1.Nicely constructed wordplay
2.Really like this but troubled by whether flats is a fair definition. Flats are examples of wetlands, hence “?” required?
3.Almost
26. let's wander without hesitancy about The Fens, maybe
1.It's been said before that "er" can indicate hesitancy but it's not a synonym for it (see also 40)
2.Nice, simple, tight clue.
27. Long sentence faces wanted criminal as result of breaking banks?
1.Clever misleading surface. not entirely convinced by 'long sentence faces' for L, S
2.Cleverly disguised definition, but criminals don't "break" banks, although they make break into them
3.Good definition, just a pity that 'breaking banks' doesn't sound quite right in the surface story
28. Marshes where Tony regularly was led astray (8)
1.This would be good if there was a famous Tony who was led astray…..
2.Personal names are best avoided without a good reason such as a reference to a topical news story
29. Moors in west country appropriated for development
1.Wordplay should indicate land in anag. of west, but doesn't
2.The partially indirect anagram fodder is not very elegant
3.Good idea, could perhaps have left out the 'appropriated'
30. Nappy bags for the bogs perhaps
1.Wet = Nappy ??
2.Nappy = tipsy is a bit obscure, and I don't really see how tipsy = wet
3.Excellent surface. Bags = lands is lovely.
31. Newts and large bats found here.
1.I’m surprised the clue-writer didn’t notice their anagram contains two N’s
2.Rather vague definition, and the days of anagrinds like "bats" and "crazy" may be numbered
3.Nice surface . Unfortunately fodder has an extra N
4.There's an extra N in the fodder.
32. Old Rotarian moving south to Hackney?
1.Rotarian = helicopter? Helicopter = Westland? (Westland Aircraft Company) Very strained
2.Old rotarian is very obscure for 'Westland' and 'Hackney' isn't a good definition
3.Obscure
33. One year away from Walt Disney production in the Everglades? (8)
1.Good anagram find, but not keen on 'production' to indicate it
2.Nice clue. But, rightly or wrongly, some people dislike nounal anagram indicators
3.Unique us of Walt Disney.? is just enough to suggest def by example.
34. Partners arrive in tedious, empty marshes
1.Wordplay works well but the surface doesn't
2.Bridge partners aren't everyone's cup of tea, but I think this is OK, although the surface is depressing
3.Nice charade.
35. Places swamped with aliens, suffused with light
1.I like the disguised definition, misleading use of "light", and containment indicator "suffused with"
2.Love the definition. Suffused with light doesn't quite do it for me.
3.I don't think 'suffused with' works as aa containment indicator
36. Primarily watery ecosystem that lets aquatic nature develop sustainably
1.Acrostics need to sound completely natural.
2.Best of the initial letter clues, I prefer it to the very similar 37
37. Primarily watery ecosystems that let aquatics (nothing dry) survive (8)
1.Acrostics need to sound more natural.
2.Rather strained, like many (most?) initial letter clues. I prefer the very similar 36
38. Review Delta-Northwest's settlements for frequent flyers
1.Obscure reference, and the definition doesn't quite work
2.Great definition.
39. Signs of authority permitted cycling within swamps
1.?? Are Wands the signs of authority? Too obscure for me!
2."Signs of authority" doesn't quite ring true for "wands"
40. Slough provoked wanderlust without hesitation
1."Ur" (more usually "er") is not a synonym for hesitation (see also 26)
2.What does the surface mean? Someone found a bog which inspired him?
3.Surface needs a little work
41. Slough Town leads after shot out of nothing
1.Good misleading surface
2.Almost. But wouldn't Slough Town lead? (i.e. not leads)
3.Great surface. Out of nothing isn't tight enough for removing the O for me.
42. Slough, unfit for human habitation? Let explosive sticks engulf it!
1.Clever ref to Betjeman
2.I really enjoyed this clue and the reference!
3.Good deception and witty reference
4.I suppose bombs can be sticks and sticks can be wands, but it's too indirect
43. Slough's teeming with retail stores at the centre
1.Nice idea.
44. Slough’s where her discarded tin-opener is found by the sides of Ladbrokes (8)
1.This surface doesn't make sense
2.Very odd surface, with "sides" a confusing plural in this context
3.A (single) discarded item could not be found by (both) sides of Ladbrokes. Only "side" would work in the surface.
4.Slightly non-sensical surface
45. Soft lights for the bogs?
1.Since when does soft = wet?
2.Nice image, succinct, ticks for the plural and the DBE question mark
3.A bit too straightforward but "soft lights" is clever.
4.Lovely surface. Nice use of lights
46. Soil and water forms with reduced air and oxygen (8)
1.Obscure defn.
2.&lit works so well until 'air AND oxygen'.
47. Staves headless Celt off inside Slough (8)
1.But what does it mean?
2.Off serves no use in clue other than to add to surface reading?
48. Suit trousers alien left in bog
1.Nice wordplay, but what's going on?
49. Swamp new lads with model components
1."Components" does not work on its own as an anagram indicator ("new" and "model" are already spoken for)
2.The surface doesn't make a convincing story
50. Swamps regenerated last weekend, after letting out a cry of horror.
1.Wordplay works but the surface doesn't
2.Either this is a dangling participle or the swamps are surprisingly vocal
3.Nice idea but swamps can't let out a cry of horror so slightly non-sensical surface?
51. Swamps where eco-warrior teams located and nurtured degraded streams initially
1.Acrostics need to sound more natural than this
2.Rather unnatural surface – a common problem with initial letter clues
3.No real need for 'warrior'?
52. Swampy spots son underground, in pieces, after work excavating tunnel starts
1.Lovely idea – but I don't like underground for under ground
2.Nice definition
3.Great definition, but "underground, in pieces" effectively asks solvers to rewrite the clue before solving it, which is unreasonable
4.Ingenious and well-constructed
5.Love the ref. 'In pieces' seems forced.
53. Terrain in West damaged ecosystem.
1.Nice wordplay, but the definition "ecosystem" could be more specific
2.Wordplay works but the surface doesn't. How would terrain damage an ecosystem?
3.Definition is unclear
54. The rain comes down in the Everglades, perhaps
1.I like comes down = lands, but 'the rain' = wet is pushing it a bit
2.Simple and effective
3.Wet is clued as wet with similar meaning
4.Nice def for Lands
55. Towels and missing old pants in bogs
1.What does the surface mean?
2.Nice surface.
56. Unobserved, search a cathedral as Cardinal points out bogs (8)
1.A bit too contrived, especially as you have to add the letter "E" and then subtract it again.
2.Not a very convincing surface!
3.I like it, but it's pretty unsolvable.
4.A little too much subtraction going on for my liking makes it a little convoluted. Maybe personal preference on this one. Nice surface.
57. Unusual newts lad found in marshy ground
1.Simple and effective
58. Urinate on ground, with son on bog (8)
1.Are you taking the p?
2.Unique take on wet. Reads nicely.
59. Wasn’t delta possibly formed at these?
1.Wordplay really needs 'forms' or 'forming'
2.I don't get this
60. W.C. Fields
1.Not the last time he will feature in a lavatory-related clue. Rather vague definition, and might be better with a question mark
2.This doesn't work at all
3.interesting wordplay – but where's the definition?
4.lol
5.I really like this but I just can't make it fully work!! Maybe I'm missing something. I guess it's just non-Ximenean?
61. We start to trudge on the fringes of lakes and maybe surrounding areas
1.It's a slight weakness that "the fringes of lakes" could be either "LS" or "L AND S" but otherwise fine
2.WE is clued as such
3.Seems to be missing a container indicator to place and in LS
62. Wee soils bogs
1.Trisyllabic clues are rare, not quite good enough for a place though
2.Simple and straightforward. I like it.
63. What fairy godmothers wave around regularly deathly marshy areas
1.Fairy godmothers have no obvious connection with marshy areas
2.Good idea but it needs more work for the surface to sound natural.
3.The surface is quite nonsensical
64. Where one may find various newts with long and dark heads (8)
1.Perfectly good wordplay, and may well be true, although I wouldn't know
65. Wide deltas formed around northern swamps
1.Best of the deltas
2.Just a bit boring
66. Windblast direction not going both ways around swamp
1.To be pedantic, a direction cannot "go" in any particular way – it IS a way
67. You and I stand awkwardly, while overwhelming stillness essentially swamps… (8)
1.Ingenious wordplay, but tails off in a desultory fashion
2.'Essentially' is one of those indicators to be avoided if possible