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A clue to DISTAFF.
210 comments were received for this competition (from 18 competitors, 1 other)
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Comments on the competition
1.
Disappointing set of clues on the whole – nothing outstanding. Surprisingly, after so many years of this competition, several entrants still don't realize how &lit clues work – if the whole clue cannot be read as the definition, it's not an &lit.
2.
What wonderful essays (the clue and its explanation) at 8! Far too long and complicated for a solver, and the clue would never fit into the svailable space in a paper. Let these essays be the setter's last!
3.
31 and 64 came out well as &lit attempts while 9 had a definition which was offbeat. “Rod” and “stick” as definitions seemed unfair .. Use of “stick” for “staff” in the wordplay suffered from etymology issues as in 16 .
4.
I am a little uneasy with clues that used distaff as a synonym for women. As a noun it is a spindle. As an adjective it can pertain to women.
5.
Not an easy word to clue away from the more obvious wordplay and still deliver a plausible surface story – just a few did and they attracted my votes.
 
Comments on the clues
1. A couple of workers get wound up on leaving this tool
1.'of' is superfluous so the clue gives the non-word DIOFSTAFF
2.di= a couple is too much of a stretch
2. A few backward characters scoff at sides representing women (7)
1.Nice backwards hidden but not sure about the definition.
2.The wordplay needs ‘in’ or ‘from’
3.The clue needs "…characters of/in"
- which of course would mess up the surface.
4.Nicely done!
3. Aid to spinning fast if beginning to dance waltzes
1.Nice deceptive surface. I think 'waltz' (letters / words 'waltz') would be more accurate in the actual clue (arguable?).
2.Excellent clue with misleading surface story – my winner.
4. Almost all ladies with this work out could get fit as a fiddle (7)
1."Work out" should be a single word. How does "fit as a fiddle" mean "distaff"?
2.The def. sseems to be 'this work' which is vague to say the least.
3.So close. It doesn't quite work. Work out =/= workout.
4.These multiletter comp anagrams are a pain in the backside! By adding enough letters you can make almost any phrase. Does anyone like them?
5. Angharad is Taffy's squeeze, dashing away with a smoothing iron, perhaps
1.Definition is too remote from actual meaning
2.Huh?
6. Beloved princess blubbers over tip of finger in girls' work of fiction (7)
1.Original surface and definition
2.Not beloved by me….
7. Bum fat is extremely feared by women
1.No it isn't – rather the contrary if modern trends are any indication
2.My Chambers dictionary gives distaff as a noun only.
3.I like it, but is "by women" precise enough?
4.good humorous surface; a little uneasy about distaff as a noun = women
8. Conveyor of yarn set up Minoan myth in Metamorphoses, having set out cursed mountain nymph Echo being captivated by Narcissus
1.Too long and complicated for such a relatively short word
2.Extraordinary clue, sound and factually accurate! Drops a point only for the falsely capitalized verbal anagrind.
3.Clever, but too clever. I wouldn’t have had a hope solving cold.
4.This might be an an accurate account, but the compounded anagram is OTT
5.The complex and somehwat indirect wordplay I think would be excessively unfair on any potential solver.
6.Too long.
7.Come on that's ridiculous! Try clues of 8 words or less!
9. Detective beginning to search Welsh river for tow vehicle
1.Very misleading Def. Nice surface.
2.Creative definition
3.Clever def.
4.Good deception
5.Like the definition
6.Nicely disguised definition (I'll forgive the nounal adjective!).
7.I didn't give points but enjoyed being reminded of a bike ride down the Taff
8.Good misleading definition
10. Detective thanks fellows after charges finally stick
1.Nicely constructed surface
2.Nice surface reading but 'stick' is a weak (very non-specific) definition.
11. Detectives with terriers – they made it work for women
1.It's unclear what the surface is trying to convey
2.Sound clue; the surface is not so convincing.
3.I didn't understand the FF
12. Diana comes briefly before the personnel to discuss matters concerning women.
1.Not clear about the role of 'to discuss matters', doesn't appear necessary to indicate 'staff'
2.Potentially a good clue, but too many extraneous words: "the" and "to discuss matters".
3.Just a bit pedestrian
13. Editing staid folios is women’s work
1.Rather objectionable surface
2.Should be 'edited staid' for an anagram.
3.Simple but sound.
4.Surface needs to be good in this competition!
14. Employees supporting Welshman – it's the work of women
1.Di=Welshman? Can't see how this clue is meant to work
2.It's unclear what the surface is trying to convey
3.Don’t you mean Dai?
4.Sound clue but the surface could be better. The best clues often disguise the join between wordplay and definition.
5.The surface doesn't make a lot of sense – should women always support Welshmen?
15. Ending of Gone With the Wind is thanks to female going to face future: typical of her
1.Letter picking for 'D' and 'face future' for F not convincing
2.Six words to indicate the letter "D" is too many
3.f = 'face of future' but surely not 'face future'
4.I hated Gone With the Wind
16. Essentially cylindrical, one short pole holds flax at first (7)
1.Cutting the pole and then adding that back to try and force an &lit seems a bit contrived
2.Needs to be "holding" for the &lit, and clueing part of the word (STAFF) separately doesn't really work.
3.Nice try at an & lit., but surface rather forced
4.Lovely clue except that 'holds' needs to be 'holding' to make the whole a nounal definition.
5.Nice try at &lit.
6.'Essentially' and 'at first' are both obvious indicators to be avoided if possible. Two in the same clue? Two too many!
7.Novel wordplay and well-disguised clue producing &lit.
17. Fat Sid returns with female, concerning women!
1.Nonsensical surface
2.Nice humour but a pity you had to use Sid….
18. Female employee I had promoted is on top (7)
1.Vague definition, and "promoted" means "moved up" not "reversed"
2.I'm afraid lots of clues used 'staff' it's a bit lazy
20. Female royal's female attributes – doubly female
1.T&A is an unpleasant abbreviation
2.Maybe I'm slow but I don't get the T&A bit
21. Female showing as man on passport got rejected (7)
1.I don't understand this wordplay
2.I did not understand this.
22. Female workers on the payroll for this?
1.Not an &lit
2.Very neat
3.Female = DI ? Didn’t quite get the wordplay
23. Find dandruff at side and back of women (7)
1.The hidden indication doesn't work well
2.Nonsensical surface
3.Brave attempt but hidden clues need to have a natural-sounding surface
24. Five hundred one hired hands! For women's work?
1.Nothing very convincing about the surface unfortunately
2.Five hundred (and) one?
3.Perhaps “five hundred and one…”?
4.Why not insert the 'and' to make the surface smoother?
25. Fossilized rock: compressed stone with a filling difference?
1.I don't think anyone could solve this
2.Too obscure for me!
26. Gendered domain is stick that's associated originally with females (7)
1.Definitely not &lit
2.Not an &lit, and "gendered" has no role in the wordplay
3.IMO acrostics only work if they sound entirely natural.
27. Half a mile, for instance, in front of a very strong female
1.Couldn't make much sense of the surface
2.Reasonable attempt, but not an &lit. The definition is "female"
3.Seems you have misunderstood the meaning of an 'AND lit' clue (= the WHOLE clue is both the wordplay AND the (literal) definition.
4.The wordplay works well but the surface doesn't make sense
28. I'd set up a workforce of women (6)
1.Works fine as a down clue. The enumeration is both unnecessary and wrong, but I will ignore that when awarding points
2.Could be tightened by dropping "a".
3.Neat and simple – but is the surface reading gripping enough to outshine the other clues?
4.DI + STAFF were too obvious and thus overused
29. In style, it's raucous; a very loud classic rock (7)
1.I don't see how anyone could solve this
2.I don't see how 'raucous' signifies an anagram (of 'it's' – which BTW you omitted to explain). Would have been good otherwise.
3.The def and the DA are both too obscure
30. Insult a guy from Cardiff made referring to females
1.Needs "perhaps" after Cardiff, but I don't think you can get away with Taff as a generic Welshman these days
2.Why the past tense? The link word 'made' here should be 'makes'.
31. It's used to stop tops of flax fibres and end of thread twisting
1.The def is properly '& lit.' (as some entrants should note). But 'used' isn't an anagrind for me – 'somehow used' would do.
2.The surface just doesn't sound natural
3.Anagram inside anagram but the wordplay works for &lit.
4.Not sure about "used" as an anagram indicator
32. Just over five hundred staff use this to spin a yarn.
1.staff clued as staff? That may not fly
2.Having so much of the solution (STAFF) in plain sight in the clue is a bit of a giveaway!
3.Oh no not another DI + STAFF
33. Ladies' man pursues baser instincts when retired (7)
1.Pleasingly subtle use of the Freudian concept of the ID
2.Amusing surface
3.Nice – neat surface
34. Ladies wondered: "Is taffeta revealing?"
1.I don't believe 'ladies' defines the word appropriately
2.Meaningless surface.
3.My sort of clue, which has a good story and a hint of spice
35. Leaders of Denmark, Iceland, Serbia: they are female, female and female
1.Very forced surface
2.Ingenious but "female" is rather a vague definition.
3.Good spot
4.Very nice.
5.Impeccable surface. Minor quibble: is 'female' by itself sufficient for defn? But happy to accept it given the quality of the clue overall.
6.Top clue for me. Must have taken some research or v good GK to make the connections.
36. Loud obese man rejected "women's work".
1.Not sure what the surface is trying to convey
2.This has the makings of a good clue but Sid lets the side down
37. No heathen left one unravelled in the hands of Fate.
1.Very obscure, and I don't think the wordplay works
2.Life is too short to disentangle clues like this
38. Nudist affably shows rod
1.The mind boggles
2.Best of the hidden clues for the lol factor!
3.This one produced a smile
4.Nice surface but I think the 'rod' is too weak for a definition.
5.naughty! worth a point…
39. Nudist affectedly masks his feminine side
1.Would be better without "his"
2.The 'his' is redundant in the real clue (presumably it's there for the surface reading).
3.Did he wear a bikini top to hide his moobs?
40. Nudist affects clothing for women
1.The clothed nudist creates a confusing surface
2.Sound enough but the surface read is not special enough to win
3.Well then he's not a nudist, is he?
4."clothing" sounds more like a containment indicator than a hidden word indicator
41. Old man admits it's unsettling to stand beside very loud female
1."Da" is rather obscure
2.'unsettling' should be 'unsettled'
3.I know the feeling
42. Old-fashioned, rock & roll is daft – and LOUD!
1.Better without the comma?
43. Papers, having turned against workers, getting stick for spinning
1.Good misleading def.
2.Good surface but too many people have used STAFF
44. Policewomen (7)
1.From "Police" to "DI staff" is a leap too far
2.Clever
45. Princess and her aides involved in spinning yarns
1.Like the deception. “Her” feels superfluous
2.This clues an adjective rather than a noun
3.Nice idea on the surface, but too many clues use STAFF
46. Regarding women in engineering shedding initial aversion, data is very strong (7)
1."Initial aversion" is not "a"
2.Surface needs work to make it sound natural
3.Nice try but doesn't work accurately: a = 'aversion's initial' , and the words / letters have been or are 'engineered'.
47. Rod is awfully daft about sex (7)
1.Good attempt, but rather vague definition
2.I think 'rod' is too weak a definition of 'distaff', otherwise a nice clue. .
48. Rod to produce American whiskey, has no trouble with one very strong
1.Surface isn't convincing
49. Sadist afflicts hiding with this stick.
1.Meaningless surface, "with" is superfluous
2.Surface reading doesn’t quite get there IMHO. Inflicts maybe, but not afflicts. Otherwise would’ve been good with nice use of indicator
3.Good idea but wordplay doesn’t quite work
4.'with' looks redundant
5.Hidden word clues need to sound natural
50. Scoff at Siddhartha's returning to mother's side, perhaps?
1.No containment indicator
2...but what signifies your 'within it'
51. Show disrespect to short Welshman – this is literally never done
1.Brilliant definition
2.TAFF would be just as good (or bad) as TAFFY. Defines a synonym instead of the actual word
3.Did you mean 'literarily'?
4.I gave this some points in spite of literally and literarily being different things….
52. Shun banker with spinning stick (7)
1."Dis" stands for "disrespect", which is not really "shun"
2.Wordplay works fine but what does the surface mean?
53. Side female nudist affably displays?
1.Another affable nudist – aren't any of them affectionate? Better without "female"
2.So no full frontal then?
54. Sissy Sid wears a very loud shirt. Wild!
1.Unacceptable definition
55. Spinning device fad's fit to be wound up
1.Unconvincing surface
56. Term for stiff fellow pursuing staid living? A stick!
1.A synonym of an anagram indicator is too indirect
57. Terribly staid females or female (7)
1.Peters out at the end
58. This working, could be 'tis female fad
1.Very contrived anagram
59. Underworld volunteers very loud for women (7)
1.Not sure what this means
60. Upsetting to men where this form of women's work becomes somewhat different
1.What does this mean?
2.Comp. anags usually work best as '& lit' clues. The surface reading here is not a good enough story to justify the convolutions.
61. Warring states differ. No reset for women's work.
1.Unconvincing anagram indicator and surface
2.The surface has two unconnected parts. And subtractive anagrams are the worst!
62. Welshman is fourth in line, on his mother's side (7)
1.Wordplay results in TAFFISD
2.The wordplay seems indicate ‘Taff is D’
3.Wordplay would be a fairer indication of Taff is D
63. Welshman on the pick-up meets hands-on woman (7)
1.Not keen on the "hands-on" split
2.The 'on' here is not a word (it's part of another word). Clues must be grammatically accurate to be fair to the solver.
64. What I'd turn fast to spin a bit of flax?
1.Both of the anagram indicators are weak
2.The wordplay needs ‘I’d turns’
3.Almost my winner, but turn (rather than turns) spoils the wordplay slightly
4.Good attempt
5.This clue would be even better without the word "What " at the beginning
6.Not sure, but think the spindle is turned rather than the distaff
65. Woman democrat wins regularly thanks to female following
1.Vague definition
2.Very good surface story and wordplay which I liked a lot but the def seems to be archaic American.
3."to" is padding in the wordplay
66. Woman with man after her job?
1.Not convinced by this definition
67. Woman's engaged in nudist affair.
1.Best of the hidden words
68. Women showing up in stiff, fat sideburns (7)
1.Rather odd surface and weak definition (presumably adjectival)
2.Not a very convincing surface!
69. Women's work carried out by princess's team belowstairs
1.Wordplay gives DISSTAFF
70. Women’s work: cooking, for starters, then dusting furniture – as if! (7)
1.One of my favourite clues here (presumably satirical)
2.Very nice surface.
3.Complicated but a nice surface reading
4.Nice. However the def/wordplay break is obvious rather than disguised, as in the best clues.
71. Women's work, mostly performed by men (7)
1.Staff = man but not men.
2.Very tidy.
3.Nice surface
4.Great surface and would have been much better without the comma! The best clues usually disguise the def / wordplay break.
5.Straightforward but sufficiently different wordplay to make a good clue.
72. Women's work shift had hours chopped and changed by force
1.Novel anagram fodder and wordplay.