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A clue to PLAIN-JANE.
206 comments were received for this competition (from 14 competitors, 3 others)
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Comments on the competition
1.
Dealing with the J was the trickiest part of this challenge, and I expected to see a few ninjas, Japans and similar. There were some fairly ropy surface readings such as 6, 16, 25, 46 and 57 which I can't imagine as pieces of English prose other than crosswordese, and some over-complicated compound anagrams (anything over 12 words is too long in my book). The charade clues working with variants on PLAIN and JANE were not sufficiently inventive, and some clueing was too libertarian for my taste, with inaccurate anagram indicators appearing quite regularly. In the end I had fewer than ten sound and interesting candidates.
2.
I hope there won't be confusion or discrimination against clues for PLAIN JANE (noun 5,4) as opposed to PLAIN-JANE (adj., 5-4). I've taken both to be equally acceptable. Too many clues this month have very forced surfaces that make little sense.
3.
My understanding of the ninja, which I thought was the popular one, is that they were stealthy assassins with near-superhuman abilities. Instead we have Plain Jane and her cabinet of maladroit ninja – the one who misplaced his throwing stars, the one who tipped over his shoelaces, the one who fell off the toilet…
Enough already with the ninjas, please.
4.
A lot of clues to PLAIN JANE rather than to PLAIN-JANE. As clues in a real puzzle they would lead to the same entry, of course, but I didn't give points to any of them.
5.
I went through, giving one point each to any clue I though half decent. There were seven such. I then upgraded 9,13 and 10. As usual, there was evidence of several clue-writers trying to run before they can walk, with some convoluted constructions and barely convincing surface meanings.
6.
An army of leaping ninjas, none of whose surfaces convince, were all rejected for obviousness. 24 best of the Japan line anagrams. The simpler compound anagrams such as 28 seemed to work better than the complex ones. 45 the most amusing, let down by the definition.
 
Comments on the clues
1. Alpen, mashed with no end of jam in, is not a dish one might fancy.
1.Surface a bit clunky
2.Too complicated an anagram
3.'jam with no end' = ja. OK, but what's 'no end of jam'?
2. An Alpine trip over Jungfrau's peak may not appeal to some guys?
1.'over' – does it mean 'including'? not sure; 'peak' may be the highest point but not the front of something
2.What is the definition? – "may not appeal to some guys" – doesn't work,
3.Def not 'quite there' one feels
4.Not quite sure "over" works as an indicator for "around". Definition not quite there.
5.Don't see that 'may not appeal' is an adj. or noun (= plain-jane).
3. An unattractive woman is extraordinarily appealing in tight jeans after that gin peg is quashed! (5-4)
1.not clear what a gin peg is, or how quashed (in the surface reading)
2.Really needs to indicate that an anagram the of 'that gin peg' is subtracted.
3.What's a gin peg?
4.Too complex.
5.Surface not appealing
6.Surface makes no sense to me
4. Average complainant has no quarrel with Jeannie's oddness (9, hyphened)
1.'oddness' doesn't mean 'the odd letters of', in my view
2.Clever idea, but Jeannie is too close to Jane for my liking.
3.'oddities' might have worked, 'oddness' not really
5. Basic fighting: Ninja leap
1.nice and simple, works well.
2.I marked this up as it is the same idea as my clue :)
3.Works, but in the surface, can ninja leap really be considered basic fighting?
6. Battered Nepali, lacking energy, gets followed by Tarzan’s woman! Or an unattractive woman?
1.Surface reading is nonsense – what does it mean?
2.Disconnected surface?
7. Calamity after Palin gaffe is not uncommon
1.'gaffe' doesn't work as an anagram indicator for me
2.Calamity is only one example of a Jane. Needs a 'perhaps' or similar.
3.Calamity does not define "Jane"
4.A nice idea. But Palin's gaffes, while mocked, were hardly ever calamitous.
5.Signalling for Jane is a tad weak, and not a fan of nounal anagram indicators
6.Neat but definition seems a bit off
7.'gaffe' is a noun: it doesn't indicate an anagram
8. Calamity, namely, follows short Alpine quake – no great shakes
1.'quake' doesn't work as an anagram indicator for me here
2.Works technically, but in the surface, how can a calamity be 'no great shakes'? Or if wrt short quake, how the calamity?
9. Chucking the old jalapeño in cooking that's a bit bland
1.the standout clue – sound and interesting, with a great surface reading
2.Almost very good. That 'the old' bit works, but feels awkward.
3.Works quite nicely
4.Very nice smooth clue with a plausible surface. 5 from me.
10. Clumsy ninja leap, miss, no knockout it seems
1.Punctuation could be better, but the best of the ninja leaps.
2.I suppose there must have been some clumsy ninja…
11. Cool month in smooth drab
1.What does the surface mean?
2.I'm not clear what this is getting at?
3.There seems to be one N extra?
4.Surface makes no sense at all to me.
12. Edited French article in Japan, describing a lass of homely appearance.
1.Strange ideas spring to mind reading the surface.
2.I'm not convinced. Why are we in Japan reading French journalism? What was edited?
3.Not a fan of indirect anagrams unfortunately
4.Weak surface, and French article could be "le, la or les" so unfair to solvers
13. Even houses in Japan's capital are basic
1.Good surface.
2.Good misleading wordplay
3.Nice idea, but the connector for equivalence requires 'is' instead of 'are' – resultant grammar dilemma
4.It is a shame that 'even' also means PLAIN which detracts slightly from what for me would have been the winner. Still worth points though.
14. Fighter heading off to board aircraft with ordinary girl
1.unfortunately the 'with' is superfluous
2.An straightforward story, but a bit random.
3.Have seen this exact wording elsewhere recently, perhaps same author, but would have been better with different entry
15. Homely type surprising ninja with leap
1.Marked up as same idea as my clue – the surface reading is a bit unlikely, though
2.Not a convincing surface
16. Honestly, coin given to ordinary woman! (6-5)
1.Couldn't get hold of a surface meaning that reads naturally
2.Honestly is an adverb; plain is an adjective. Surface unconvincing,
17. Horribly pale in Jan – and the other months?
1.can't see this working as an &lit
2.Pale and plain are different things – a question mark isn't enough to make up for it.
3.Didn't get it, what have I missed? Apologies if this turns out to be the cleverest clue
4.Not an "& lit". Requires some better definition.
5.Don't see how it's '& lit.' (in which ALL the words are both the wordplay AND the def.)
18. I plan about a month and finally propose to the simple girl next door (5-4)
1.The makings of a nice clue: but next-door girls are DEFINITELY not necessarily plain.
19. I’d got in on Japanese chorus line, dancing. See her or such doing it? No! (5,4)
1.Is there such a thing as a Japanese chorus line?
2.Far, far too complex.
3.Bit contrived one feels
4.18 letters of added fodder is probably a bit much.
5.The clue was for the word with the hyphen. Merit for comp anag although needs a better def.
20. It's an obvious calamity – girl's somewhat ugly
1.The hyphen ruins this. Plus Doris Day was gorgeous, so sort of makes the clue an 'inverse'.
2.'an' clearly is not grammatical to indicate 'plain'. Don't quite agree with the def also, does not necessarily imply ugly
21. It's not unusual to line Japan up.
1.This clue is certainly unusual.
2.I rarely line Japan up – is it more common that I am led to believe?
3.Construction appears forced
4.Up isn't an anagram indicator.
22. Janine's lap-dancing routine
1.the hyphen connects the anagram indicator too closely to the fodder, for me
2.like the simple clue. Not sure about the hyphen linking to anagrind
3.0.5 for the original definition.
4.I'm not a fan of having to deconstruct a hyphenated word.
5.apostrophe s in the middle of fodder is intrusive, otherwise a nice clue
6.Spoilt by the extra and s.
7.Just that 'S which spoils it.
8.Surface nice but you've presented 'lap-dancing' as one word: so it makes no logical sense (as a clue).
23. Japan Line flies to orient, “no-frills”
1.Better without 'flies' in my view.
2.Since there is nothing called Japan Line, appears contrived, though the technical part works and the idea is good
3."to orient" is unnecessary
4.Lovely concise clue.
24. Japan line-out is lacking sophistication
1.the hyphen connects the anagram indicator too closely to the fodder, for me (good idea though)
2.Good, but I'm not a fan of having to deconstruct a hyphenated word.
3.Neat surface but.. needs 'line out' not 'line-out' in the real clue: the (one) word makes no sense.
25. Jean-Marie Le Pen, ignoring mere European head, observes mousy girl
1.Surface is a bit weak, and the anagram of the subtracted letters isn't indicated.
2.I like a nice convincing surface – this is too random for me
3.Nice spot but the surface is a bit meaningless and there's no anagram indicator
4.Observes is not a fair anagram indicator
5.Where is anagram indicator?
6.'mere E' is out of order so must indicate it's an anagram to remove.
26. Journal again empty during Alpine rambling, nothing to write home about
1.Best of the Alpine clues thanks to a clever definition.
2.Good effort.
3.Not too keen on obscure one-letter abbreviations even if they are in Chambers. But, that aside, imaginative and nicely misleading surface
4.Nice clue, works well
5.Very nice clue and very different.
27. Life in Japan if lacking variation is so?
1.'variation' is a nounal anagram indicator, but not bad otherwise
2.Excellent surface.
3.Not a fan of nounal anagram indicators. Could have easily been 'in variety' and perhaps also improved the surface?
4.I don't think you could plausibly describe life as 'plain-Jane'
5.'variation' is a noun so doesn't work logically. Needs to be 'in variation' to make sense (as a clue).
28. Life in Japan, if not relaxed, is simple
1.'if not' doesn't equal 'without if'
2.A good try, but 27 is much better
3.Quite a nice clue
4.Nice idea, but 'if not' = 'not if' ??
29. Mediocre student got in trouble – he sketched ships day after day
1.referring to Fred Jane is quite obscure, and 'day after day' seems to have no part to play
2.Not sure how 'day after day' contributes to the wordplay
3.A quirky reference which works really well
30. Modelling such clothes, ordinary rather than jolliest in design, can exhibit no panache
1.I can't work this one out. What is the anagram material?
2.Too complex for me.
3.Surface reading very artificial. And an &lit should be a little more realistic
4.It takes quite a bit of algebra to get to (NO PANACHE + JOLLIEST -CLOTHES -O(rdinary))*
5.Too complicated a comp anag for me!
31. Mountain climbing during New Year takes energy, unlike oil painting
1.Nicely constructed. Needs to be a down clue.
2.Some leaps of faith here?
3.Poor surface, and not sure either clue or definition is fair to solvers
32. No oil painting of headless warrior in flat
1.A bit random – am I supposed to be surprised by the absence of such an item?
2.Works technically, but for the surface to be convincing, should there necessarily be one such?
3.Weak surface, and does plane really = flat?
33. No-frills alpine break to take in January
1.'break' is either a nounal anagram indicator, or in the wrong person I think ('breaks' would work)
2.Needs to be 'alpine breaks' – it's a single word
3.Hurrah for a clue that I can understand!
4.What a pity it wasn't 'breaks'!
5.Anagram indicator should have been 'breaks'. Would have still worked for the surface too
6.Here the word 'alpine' breaks.
34. No-frills carrier takes on board a trained assassin, losing case
1.A bit random for me – did he make them regret it?
2.The 'losing case' bit seems almost like an afterthought; and is this a reference to luggage? or a civil suit?
35. No-frills rhyming couplet?
1.This isn't a clue, it's a riddle.
2.More precision please.
3.Def doesn't seem adequate
36. No-frills woman, naked, made Tarzan horny (5,4)
1.'made Tarzan horny' is not a suitable definition or substitute for JANE
2.I bet cheetah did too (and she was always naked).
3.I don't recall Jane Porter ever being described quite like this? On the racy side, but for me the grammar looks questionable…
4.Wordplay for Jane a bit patchy
37. Non-spicy jalapeno in gumbo, taking nothing out (5-4)
1.9 serves up the jalapeno more convincingly
2.Similar to 9 but that worked much better. Not convinced with the anagram indicator
3.gumbo is a noun
38. Not fancy lap dance with German ,no? Yes ! (5-4)
1.Grammar issues plus a bit convoluted with the German – an indirect anagram.
2.An interesting effort. (The random punctuation spacing is distracting.)
3.More than half in German? 'german' to be applied to both the words? Indirect anagram. Grammar in anagram indication a bit suspect.
4.lap dances with..
39. Ordinary jail – a pen rebuilt to house sixth of prisoners
1.Nice clue, the letter selection extension forces it a bit. 1.5 points
2.Nice to see something different.
3.Surface not exciting
40. Ordinary killer has head removed during smooth operation (5-4)
1.'smooth operation' doesn't seem an adequate definition or substitute for PLANE
2.As opposed to a mad killer?
3.'operation' seems out of place, gratuitous
41. Out in the open, Tarzan's gal appears quite ordinary.
1.Jane Porter ordinary? Surely not.
2.Simple and nice clue
42. Pedestrian turned pale when outside in January
1.nice choice of synonym
2.Good surface and misleading def.
3.Simple and effective.
4.Very nicely constructed, perhaps just a small niggle: wouldn't a pedestrian be outside anyway? Another c/c indicator might have been better
5.Superb, one of the best clues I remember in these competitions.
43. Plot including trendy judge a bit unremarkable.
1.can't find bit=e in my Chambers
2.Think you've misread Chambers! E doesn't mean bit.
3.This clue's author needs to read the Chambers def of E more carefully!
4.Oh dear, misled by the Chambers app! 'Bit' is not a definition of E.
5.Didn't figure out the 'bit' bit (my Chambers crossword dictionary doesn't show this), but accepting
44. Quake in Nepal? Jain observed no great shakes!
1.'quake' doesn't work as an anagram indicator for me here
2.Clever surface and definition
3.Interesting.
4.'Quake' if used as verb can't be used in the imperative. If used as a noun, well, not my cup of tea
5.Very good idea. Link-word 'observed' arguably redundant. A witty clue doesn't need a "This is funny" exclamation mark. Still, I like it.
46. Run-of-the-mill and lacking spice, beginners jellied aspics not edible.
1.surface meaning is obscure (without the apostrophe), and an aspic is a jelly anyway
2.Surely a bland jellied aspic is still edible?
3.Surface not so convincing
47. Sadly judge inane pal unremarkable
1.I am going to try to fit this in a conversation at work tomorrow.
2.Works technically, but surface doesn't do much
48. She doesn't ninja leap, perhaps (9)
1.why wouldn't a plain Jane 'ninja leap'?
2.Too great a ninja-leap for me.
3.Bit of a stretch perhaps
4.Structure not quite right for a semi-&lit and the definition is very vague
49. Simply dressed in plaid jeans, dismissing fashion
1.'dismissing' is too libertarian, and 'fashion' won't work unless it's a direct instruction to shape something (before, not after the fodder)
2.I'm not comfortable with deconstructing words like this.
3.Liked the 'lift and separate' technique used. Unfortunately in my book, fashion needs to be used in the imperative and preceding the fodder
50. Sounds like a new specialist aerospace publication is unremarkable
1.not clear how the PLAIN part is clued, or whether it relates to 'a new'
2.Couldn't unravel this one, apologies (though I get the JIG reference)
3.The publication is Jane's, not Jane. Don't think this works on any level.
51. There's no justice, but she could turn out to be unpaintable?
1.Unpainted maybe, but not unpaintable
2.Get the drift, but can't quite agree with the 'unpaintable' part as 'n o p'. Merit
3.Impossible
52. Undecorated abode, joint needing a bit of window dressing
1.concatenating 'abode' (a formal word) with the slangy 'joint' seems a bit jarring, though the concept is cunning
2.Unique and clever – expertly done
3.Leaving aside other points perhaps, first impression was the unlikely contrast between 'abode' and 'joint' – one might have said 'pad'
53. Unfashionable dressed in a pale New Jersey!
1.A good effort, but the caps spoil it.
2.the capitals give it away somewhat
3.Alas, the need to capitalise NJ ruins this.
54. Uninitiated martial artist splits tree to achieve standard
1.Surface seems quite contradictory
55. Unremarkable month in Alpine resort
1.'resort' doesn't work unless it is a direct instruction to amend something (before, not after the fodder)
2.Not keen on the anagram indicator. Should be 'Alpine's resort' or similar for grammatical wordplay.
3.There are 12 months…
4.Find it difficult to agree with 'resort' after fodder as a grammatically correct anagram indicator, though have seen it being used
56. Unremarkable ninja collapsed when caught by flying leap
1.I'm afraid I'm fed up with ninjas now. Alphabetical order has not been kind to you in this respect.
2.Surface not convincing
57. Vanilla rum pie a la nutty nectarine jelly, for starters.
1.What?
2.Heston may approve, but too fanciful for me…